#Ireland
Friedrich Engels on the #Irish
Engels described how Irish immigrants, with “nothing to lose at home”, were flocking to cities like Manchester in search of “good pay for strong arms”. At his time of writing, there were 40,000 Irish in Manchester, with similar numbers in Edinburgh, Glasgow, and Liverpool. London had 120,000.
Engels initially held some prejudiced views of Irish immigrants in England.
"the southern facile character of the Irishman, his crudity, which places him but little above the savage, his contempt for all humane enjoyments... his filth and poverty, all favour drunkenness."
Engels seen the Irish had “grown up almost without civilization” and were now importing their “rough, intemperate, and improvident” ways and “all their brutal habits” into Britain’s already overcrowded cities. The Irish arrived “like cattle” and “insinuate themselves everywhere
He also argued that Irish immigration, by introducing the custom of "crowding many persons into a single room," helped drive down wages for English workers
Engels claimed that “Whenever a district is distinguished for especial filth and especial ruinousness, the explorer may safely count upon meeting chiefly those Celtic faces which one recognises as different from the Saxon physiognomy.” Focusing on “filth and drunkenness” and a “lack of cleanliness… which is the Irishman’s second nature”
They were too different, and too backward, to ever be properly assimilated into British life: “even if the Irish, who have forced their way into other occupations, should become more civilized, enough of the old habits would cling to them to have a strong degrading influence upon their English companions in toil, especially in view of the general effect of being surrounded by the Irish” Furthermore “For work which requires long training or regular, pertinacious application, the dissolute, unsteady, drunken Irishman is on too low a plane.”
In many ways, he presented Irish immigrants to industrial Britain as exhibiting what he and Marx would later call “the idiocy of rural life”, a backward people who would soon be submerged by the dynamics of industrial capitalism.
Engels was also critical of Irish bourgeois tendencies, stating in a letter to Marx that "the worst thing about the Irish is that they become corruptible as soon as they stop being peasants and turn bourgeois," though he noted this was common among peasant nations.
However, Engels' perspective changed significantly over time. Engels argued that the Irish had a right and even a duty to be nationalistic as a step toward internationalism, writing to Karl Kautsky in 1882 that "the Irish and the Poles... are most internationalistic when they are nationalistic.”
Engels also recognized the Irish as a "historic nation" with a right to statehood, contrasting them with other groups he deemed non-viable.
His personal connections profoundly influenced his views. Through his marriage to Mary Burns and later marriage to her sister Lizzie (working-class Irish immigrants from Manchester) he gained direct insight into Irish poverty and resistance. This connection led him to study Ireland intensely, attempting to learn the Irish language and planning to write a "History of Ireland."
Engels felt that the Irish could be the ones to bring down the British state. Marx similarly saw Ireland as the “weakest point” in the British Empire, and looked forward to a social revolution that would be “Ireland’s Revenge” upon England.
Here were his thoughts on Daniel O Connell and his famous monster meetings:
“The wily old fox gets around from town to town always surrounded by two hundred thousand men, a bodyguard such as no king can boast of. How much could be achieved if a sensible man possessed O’Connell’s popularity, or if O’Connell had a little more sense and a little less egoism and vanity! Two thousand men, and what kind of men! Men who have nothing to lose, two-thirds of them not having a shirt to their backs, they are real proletarians and sansculottes, and moreover Irishmen – wild, headstrong, fanatical Gaels. If one has not seen the Irish, one does not know them.”
Engels and Marx were of one mind in their view that Fenianism could be a revolutionary force on both sides of the Irish Sea:
“What the English do not yet know is that since 1846 the economic content and therefore also the political aim of English domination in Ireland have entered into an entirely new phase, and that precisely because of this, Fenianism is characterised by a socialistic tendency (in a negative sense, directed against the appropriation of the soil) and by being a lower orders movement.” Marx and Engels’ believed Fenians were unconscious socialists. Giving voice to the resentments of dispossessed Irish peasants, they stood in opposition to the transformation of rural Ireland into a capitalist economy.
Engels recognized the fighting spirit of the Irish, remarking in 1867 “Give me two hundred thousand Irishmen and I could overthrow the entire British monarchy”
Engels’ later writings, though, were less hopeful for the revolutionary future of Ireland. Visiting Ireland in September 1869 he saw some important changes. Dublin was now “unrecognisable”. Trade was at a high level at the port and the city had acquired a newly cosmopolitan air: “On Queenstown Quay I heard a lot of Italian, also Serbian, French and Danish or Norwegian spoken.” All of this portended a regrettable conclusion: “The worst about the Irish is that they become corruptible as soon as they stop being peasants and turn bourgeois. True, that is the case with most peasant nations. But in Ireland it is particularly bad.” Ireland had made the leap from feudalism to capitalism before Engels or Marx could finish theorizing the transformation.
