Recent conversation I just had:
Right but centralized power systems give you the rights that you'd otherwise have to give yourself
I think this is also a lie. Who would be taking those rights from me other than a centralized power system? Sure an individual might try to rob rape or murder but I don't think the state is doing a good job of stopping that. Constitutional rights are all about trying to create centralized power but saying what it can't have power over (as long as your a white land owning male)
It comes down to the definition of a right
What are they?
A protection of some kind
Against what?
Others
What secures it? Force
Are you personally securing it?
If no, it's a right
If yes, then it's "earned"
And not a right
I hate this reasoning, but I think it's sound
Ok, but who's trying to take it from me if not centralized power? Individual power? So still power. Do you think centralized power is more likely to protect your rights or violate them?
Protect them as long as you follow their rule set
And that's the bargain human nature keeps picking
Is this your actual belief?
Yes, but I'm not saying that they'll give you a lot of rights
Just that they give them
And if you play nice, you get them
And if you want more rights than the current power structure gives you, you need to secure them yourself
Making them not a right
A right is just some protection given that you didn't earn
Or at least that's my working definition
And I hate it
But it seems accurate
I guess arguing over the definition isn't the best use of our time. God given makes no sense if you don't believe in god.
Right, but that's a totally valid other source of rights
Valid logically
Rights are given by God
Secured by God
Able to be appealed to through a collective understanding / framework of God
MLK jr
As an example
Then if humans violate you can appeal to the higher ideal
That's shared
If you lose the rights you appeal to those with a shared framework
And God himself
Or be resigned
That God knows best
If they are taken
Or have righteous battles to secure rights
Totally logically consistent framework in my mind. It's a good counter definition
That might make sense if it wasn't 30x 5 word messages
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Steam of consciousness
/ stream of insanity
