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Fuck Jews Joe 5 months ago
Ngl You make a lot of sense But you failed here "True capitalism is property where no one but the owner has permission or knowledge" because capitalism is a social exercise in essence Without full disclosure, market participants has to rely on credibility of said deals There is no need to assume an omnipresent being will always use all market disclosed data to achieve full tyranny

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No offense, but this argument is also based on pretty typical "naive positivism" and the mistake of confusing the concept of the market with a collective theater stage; I'm starting to get seriously worried about your knowledge of capitalism and cryptography, my fren. Especially when you say "There's no need to assume tyranny will always emerge", that's just as absurd as a rational person (who might be a cypherpunk, an anarcho-capitalist, or an enemy of the state and of centralization, like me) saying, "Let's leave the door open; maybe the thief won't come in." You see, your argument is a delusion that tries to trade the "private" nature upon which the market economy is built for a "public" (social) obligation of transparency -again, no offense, just a frenly heads-up. Let me explain the three fundamental points where this line of reasoning falls apart. First, trust requires mathematics, not disclosure. Your claim that "participants must trust the validity of the transaction" is a relic of the pre-blockchain-tech world. The beauty of Monero (or advanced cryptography) is this: You do not need to "disclose" the parties' identities or ownership history to prove that a transaction is valid, that the money is not counterfeit, or that there has been no double-spending. Thanks to Zero-Knowledge Proofs, the market knows "what" happened but does not know "who" did it. Trust arises not from transparency, but from mathematical certainty. Second, capitalism is a "contractual" process rather than a "social" one. Defining capitalism as a social exercise is to turn it into a slide leading to collectivism. At its core, capitalism is an isolated and voluntary contractual act between two property owners. This contract owes no "signal" to third parties (market participants); it merely requires respect for the parties' property rights. The rest of the market sees only the "price" (the result), not the cause or the identity. If public approval or oversight is required for a transaction's validity, it is no longer a free market, but a credential economy or a panopticon. Third, such optimism about tyranny is the most deadly thing for society. Claiming that "there's no need to assume a tyrant will always abuse this data" is a mockery of historical science and human nature. Power always expands to the limits of the domain it can control. If data can be leaked, it will be leaked. If property can be tracked, it will be confiscated. Leaving the security of a property system to the tyrant's mercy or the possibility that they might not monitor it strips that system of its very nature as a property system. The cypherpunk ethic -which forms the foundation of cryptographic and libertarian exchange mediums such as Monero that we advocate for here- does not say, "Governments should behave well"; it says, "Governments must be technically blocked from behaving badly." After all, true capitalism is not the nationalization of information, but the absoluteness of property. Monero removes the market from being a "social arena of disclosure" and returns it to the level of the "private sphere", the true bastion of property. If a system -especially a system serving as a medium of voluntary exchange- offers privacy as an "option", that system is not protecting property; it is merely selling an "illusion of property." The privacy of property, as provided by Monero, is not a luxury; on the contrary, it is the sole mathematical safeguard and insurance against tyranny. I hope I have now made it clear that trust stems not from transparency but from mathematics, and that capitalism is not a "social celebration and a fanfare of forced declarations", but rather a "private contract law and an exclusionary property ethic."
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Fuck Jews Joe 5 months ago
I'm not saying tyranny won't always emerge I'm saying that a tyrant isn't omnipresent and is always inefficient no matter how much surveillance tech, A.I. processors or manpower you throw at him Let me present you my POV the effect of disclosed transactions in capitalistic ecosystem goes both ways: 1- it makes it easier for bad actors such as state to collect taxes. 2- it lays the ground for well informed participants. And I am fully convinced that the goods of the second outweighs the bads of the first so much that its unmeasurable just imagine if post ww-i gold restrictions were transparent, the whole state of affairs would have changed, people would've acted accordingly from the start or maybe a populist pushback might arised, idk Not a single state has a problem with private deals as long as it's recorded on a balance sheet What the autsrian economic sphere failed to articulate about capitalism are two important rules: 1- you can't sell what you don't own 2- deals must be disclosed If the first is kept the latter is already harder to do Nobody is obligated to bookkeep deals records but it must be disclosed for the market to function, (the nation isn't a market) Capitalism isn't a natural phenomenon It has order Capitalism doesn't push for middle-men hiding under "private deals" rather it obsolete them Take this example: A trading platform that sells stocks in gold never ever runs out of gold!!, how is that even possible? I call these Jewish Markets it's literally the mainstream everywhere nowadays, they don't follow the 2 rules mentioned above, they prefer to keep their "PRIVACY" in their deals No one benefits from such practices except zogs
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