Thread - Nostr Hypermedia

Pana - The Refuge Network State cryptorefuge@iris.to 2 weeks ago

#Nostr being really naive rn They're farmers, of course they'll grow what makes money and puts food on the table. 🤷‍♂️ It's like telling someone "stop selling your biggest ticket item, make no money, but at least you'll be doing the right thing". A supermarket, a bank, a shop wouldn't do that. That's not the solution for anyone, why expect that from them? 🤔 Another thing - almost all the farmers we know have 95% of the land sprayed and toxically grown + a 5% patch where they organically plant for their own family - they KNOW full well what they're growing, but are handicapped because of large land holdings, large machinery, crop cycles, climate crisis and heavy interest loans. Strongly recommend only talking about things you'll have experienced first hand. #Nostr is already a place devoid of reality. Let's not add to it. ACTION: Make the trip, or ask a friend's friend for an introduction, walk over to your neighbors - TALK to a farmer near you, no matter which country 🌍 🗣️ Hear👂it first hand!! #EatTheRich #DeathToImperialism #TheMoreYouKnow #CapitalismKills #RefugeForTheSoil ~ AJ View quoted note →

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𝕞𝕪𝕡𝕒𝕥𝕙𝕥𝕠𝕗𝕚𝕣𝕖 mypathtofire@iris.to 2 weeks ago

Why do farmers need a bail out? They need to adapt or sell the land to someone who can. They are a very previlidged class.I personally dont know any poor farmers.

Pana - The Refuge Network State cryptorefuge@iris.to 2 weeks ago

All I'll say is, then you don't know enough farmers. Also have you asked the farmers if the wealth you see is their own or entirely on loans from the govt that can be seized overnight if they don't toe the line (use the billionaire's pesticide, buy patented seeds every yearr, etc)? You'd be surprised at how many people have big, shiny homes, large land holdings (that's eventually over leveraged for those loans), the newest equipment, big cars but are GROSSLY in debt. Talking about our neighbors too fyi. It's not hard to understand it takes a lot for a farmer to commit suicide à la video. It's important to zoom out of our individual, solitary lenses and see the world for what it is.

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𝕞𝕪𝕡𝕒𝕥𝕙𝕥𝕠𝕗𝕚𝕣𝕖 mypathtofire@iris.to 2 weeks ago

The same with any government welfare, once you suck the tit of the government, they own you. They can do other things with their farms than grow toxic grains for human consumption. If they didnt figure this out yet, their lands should be sold to better carers. I know many farmers who dont just grow grains. They have thriving businesses without debt.

Pana - The Refuge Network State cryptorefuge@iris.to 2 weeks ago

Are they large scale industrial farmers, or smaller? This makes all the difference. What you're describing we've heard from frens in the Netherlands. Vertical farming is making billions overall, and the average customer has just cut off the supermarkets for fresh product by going to shop directly at urban farms - something we dream of for the rest of the world too.

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𝕞𝕪𝕡𝕒𝕥𝕙𝕥𝕠𝕗𝕚𝕣𝕖 mypathtofire@iris.to 2 weeks ago

No, not large scale industrial farmers. Do we need them? Like Mega corps, they are toxic.

Pana - The Refuge Network State cryptorefuge@iris.to 2 weeks ago

Short answer is def No. The long answer is the problem though.

Pana - The Refuge Network State

"The assumption that any transition is smooth is a fallacy."

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👆Like this post sent in by a contributor the other day, the transition is violent, and littered with the problems we're starting seeing today. It's important to understand them while we wait for a new world too, coz adding them to a #Playbook means we can learn from the mistakes of the past, in the future. In the New World Order - rewilding large swaths of land, vertical farms, urban farms, supermarket rooftop farms, not building independent housing without a rooftop or wall espalier farm allowances, Agrihoods (we have a post we'll make on this), car free zones, food forests, Indigenous Land Return for its regeneration, sustainable building (Cob homes, earthships, homes inside greenhouses), are all great models. It's always worth thinking or how much can be salvaged as we move on - land and lives alike.

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𝕞𝕪𝕡𝕒𝕥𝕙𝕥𝕠𝕗𝕚𝕣𝕖 mypathtofire@iris.to 2 weeks ago

Thanks for all the info and discussion. 👍 i think we agree on more than we disagree.

Pana - The Refuge Network State cryptorefuge@iris.to 2 weeks ago

Hey, we'll all need to get to a place where we can hold binaries in our consciousness. Whatever -ism, -ist the New World is gonna be, who knows? We might not agree on everything that is subjective, we get called a lot of names idc but the basic 'extremist pedo imperialism of the Global South by the Global North' is something we'll *never* agree on. That's where the line is drawn ⚔️ ~ LG