Tbh, can’t understand this position (which a lot of people stick too though) - i want as secure chat as possible for family/friends communications - i don’t want to find a developer who I pay $2000 max and $10 month for hosting to implement secure chat hosted on your personal hardware + software (which will do the thing but of course miss some top-notch UX patterns) - so I will wait until people come up with a super-duper difficult, untested, not mature but mainstream alternative to this problem and use it for free Technologies are already there to solve this problem pretty cheap of one really want to solve it and not get on the hype train