Oh I did not know that. They were supposed to be one of the originals pro orthodoxy so the church to turn on them that’s just… a cruel joke.

In Origen's case, they used his wording to justify attacks on his supporters - Origen's supposed crime was saying that there was ever a time that Jesus didn't exist, but it's more complicated and I'm honestly a little confused about what was being said and what the issue was. But that was the big crime, which was used to vilify Origen's other teachings, which included reincarnation. In, iirc, year 545 Justinian (totally winging it, this could be so off) decreed that belief in reincarnation was a crime, and had his army murder Christians who believed in reincarnation.

And Clement is another rabbit hole but he was a saint in the various orthodox churches for something like 900 years before they decided he was too mystical and undaunted him.

Okay an AI is telling me it was 553 CE, not 545 AD. I prefer AD but these AIs are obstinate.

Mmm the irony 👀how I love these nuggets of wisdom 🥰