Marty, awesome podcast. Jessica was one of the few who stood up to be counted during the “Madness”. The combination of being a data scientist and immunologist, amongst other qualifications (though one should be suspect of any “expert”) is deadly - the clear understanding of the data and the biology leads to such an interesting interview. Critical thinking and not giving a shit about what the narrative pushers say about her … she continues to bring out truths. The Madness led me to Bitcoin … always good to see others recognize the overlap.