just like the signal and telegram duo, jokey jokey telegram wants your phone number again when you are deleting your account that was created with your phone number black magic

my phone number never leaves my device? why do i need to give it then?

yupp you can get around that of course but that is not the point of this conversation

What about Signal tho? Now that they've got usernames, seems better?

they got usernames but you need the phone number to create an account in the first place, you can hide it fully tho and turn on an option that people could only reach you through your contact url

Yup, done that. Tbh it's not the safest seeing as their Prez went to a conference and said Agentic AI can break Signal encryption, but it's already been hard to move normie friends to Signal, let alone anything more degen.. Normies in personal circles refuse to go off WhatsApp, those in proff circles refuse to go off Telegram. #FreedomTech is a lonely road for chat apps. Ref, here:

CyberInsider

Signal president warns AI agents are making encryption irrelevant

Signal president Meredith Whittaker said AI agents embedded within operating systems are eroding the practical security guarantees of E2EE.

Its stupid to say "we must stop using Agentic AI" - like anyone's gonna listen..

yupp the main problem with messaging apps is that you can only use them if your normie fuckin asshole friends finally decide to abandon messenger and whatsapp but guess what they also have a bunch of other normie asshole friends who wont do that so thats an infinite cycle lol

Maxxxx painnn, especially when you gotta stay on WhatsApp for your gran or mom. 😆

okay just to stay clear i wouldnt say that your gran or mom are normie assholes only in that case if they actually are lol but i wouldnt know 😆

🤣 Fam is usually the biggest barrier. Asshole Frens are easier to manage, or you can force them to text/call you. (Some GenZ are so terrified of calling, you can make them download any app to avoid it 💀😆)

lol im not gen z im just autistic but i feel that, my mother regularly trying to call me instead of texting despite i asked her a thousand times altho she can text to my sisters, its like she intentionally just doesnt give any fucks lol altho i would rather call her back than answer when she is calling XD phone calls are overrated like yeah thanks for calling i am in the middle of something 100% of the times when i am not talking to someone already, thats why they invented fuckin text messages, if you want to call you can still ask when can we talk lol why is that difficult XD

Whahahaha, I'm a millenial too, but I have a deeply bipolar life from being in crypto, tech, cybersec for over a decade. Degen online, normie offline - DONO should coin it a diagnosis, it's most of us! I think your mom might be undiagnosed too, so she'd rather have it her way with everyone than remember any one person's preference - this is also all of our parents, it's cute in its own way 😅 Honestly straddling the normie-degen life is a very interesting psychosocial experiment.