Why is Telegram horrible
--No MetaData Protection
(Who and When)
--Only Mobile is Encrypted
(Phones have insecure hardware) [1]
--Invented their own encryption algorithm
Unaudited with a history of security vulnerabilities [2]
--Most VoIP Numbers are Blocked
--Tor Often Blocked
--History of handing over to police [3]
--Centralized
--Forced Google/Apple Stores
(Telegram requires Google Push which is closed source,
So the binaries can't be compared to the code,
and therefore, Telegram's claim of "open source" is a lie)
Your friend will try to pressure you, claiming you're a fringe minority.
But if you repost this, we can be the majority.
(Sources linked in comments)
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You forgot to mention it requires a phone number
Sources:
[1a]
Kicksecure
Mobile Phone Security
[2a]
madaidans insecurities
Whonix Dev
[2b]
https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177.pdf
Luke Smith
Don't Use Telegram. Don't Use Telegram. Don't Use Telegram. Don't Use Telegram. Don't Use Telegram.
https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=qBTsUVrCDAQ
[3a]
Mental Outlaw
Telegram Hands Over User Data to German Police
https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=t7HZrpJ4OyQ
[3b]
Mental Outlaw
Telegram Review
https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=pZEH04nJ_hE
[3c]
Android Central
Telegram reportedly gives user data to German authorities


Kicksecure
Mobile Devices Privacy and Security
Mobile devices security and data harvesting. Mobile security best practices and preventative measures against security breaches, data leaks, SIM Sw...
Messengers | Madaidan's Insecurities

Android Central
Telegram reportedly gives user data to German authorities
The messaging service allegedly complied with government data requests in some cases.
Who told you phones have insecure hardware?
If you register over Tor, you get often labeled spam and can't send outgoing without them adding first.
If you register without Tor, then use Tor, it doesn't care. But you've already "doxxed" yourself
Sorry if it was unclear the sources were in the comments. Phones have a baseband modem which is insecure, and easily hacked. This has just one reference, but basic search will show a lot. We also might write an article on it in the future.
Sources:
[1a]
Kicksecure
Mobile Phone Security
[2a]
madaidans insecurities
Whonix Dev
[2b]
https://eprint.iacr.org/2015/1177.pdf
Luke Smith
Don't Use Telegram. Don't Use Telegram. Don't Use Telegram. Don't Use Telegram. Don't Use Telegram.
https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=qBTsUVrCDAQ
[3a]
Mental Outlaw
Telegram Hands Over User Data to German Police
https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=t7HZrpJ4OyQ
[3b]
Mental Outlaw
Telegram Review
https://invidious.jing.rocks/watch?v=pZEH04nJ_hE
[3c]
Android Central
Telegram reportedly gives user data to German authorities

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Kicksecure
Mobile Devices Privacy and Security
Mobile devices security and data harvesting. Mobile security best practices and preventative measures against security breaches, data leaks, SIM Sw...
Messengers | Madaidan's Insecurities

Android Central
Telegram reportedly gives user data to German authorities
The messaging service allegedly complied with government data requests in some cases.
Most negatives of Telegram also apply to Signal. Both require phone number identification.
Yes and no.
Signal lets you use literally any VoIP
While as Telegram is very strict on VoIP. and even banning Tor, and even checking if the IP country matches the phone area code
Telegram is more akin to a social media as Discord without being centralized in the U.S.
Also it has FOSS client.
Few privacy apps are trusted like Matrix or SimpleX, I wouldn't even trust Signal.
#Telegram indeed is horrible for #privacy as a messenger. However, much of it's popularity could be due to it's other use: as an easy to manage, mobile-friendly public forum with free hosting or a social media channel.
Organisations that are on government blacklists and are unjustly banned from #BigTech social media have a thriving presence on Telegram as long as the app is the website version, not from Google or Apple stores.
So unless Telegram starts banning them from their non-appstore versions, people will most probably not look for better alternatives...
However, they might consider switching if alternative apps are able to do what Telegram does but even better.
Not endorsing any of this of course, just observations.
It says here the baseband has full access to memory and can compromise it unless IOMMU used, which all the devices GrapheneOS supports have, so it's not an issue