Counter-economy / counter-matrix shit: 1. I started my own group in my area (based on the principals of freedomcells.org--local action, solutions-focused, decentralized, non-political,) and we do a lot of things together like support each other's small businesses, gardens, and privacy/security tech stuff. 2. Everyone in my local group trades goods/services or uses cash or btc. Almost no one takes cards or checks. 3. I trade with people irl a lot. I make food (mos of it's low carb/diabetic-friendly), and people are pretty happy to get homemade soup and jerky in exchange for something. Sometimes I fix people's websites and computers, and they pay cash, or we get coffee or lunch and it's on them. 4. Our group also has regular Agora Markets between spring and fall and we invite local vendors to join us in an effort to show we support indie entrepreneurship, and try to encourage anti-statism in terms of business practices, but we don't look down on anyone who is new to it all and still takes Venmo or whatever. Most of them aren't familiar with libertarian/anarcho principles, but we plant the seeds with conversations, and we put out a table that displays material devoted to the information, as well as on our website, and they (and visitors to the markets) get a chance to think about it, and they come back or they don't. We can only meet people where they're at and hope they're interested. πŸ€·πŸΌβ€β™€οΈ The greater metro Freedom Cell in my area gets together regularly and holds skill sharing events and discussions centered around things like self reliance and sufficiency, unbanking, trusts/PMAs, etc. Many are interested in the counter economy but aren't savvy with the btc just yet, but eager to learn. I think that when times aren't bad / there's no current hysteria, everyday normal people are less apt to prioritize freedom and liberty so our group growth slows down a bit. But we're doing pretty well considering we're in a very blue metropolitan area that has also seen an increase in red-leaning statism as well (over the last 4 years).

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This is incredible to hear and inspiring. I hadn't heard of freedomcells.org before. I'll check them out. Perhaps a private Nostr relay for similar groups to connect could be interesting... The local aspect is critical, but seeing that there are other groups like you elsewhere and sharing information would be beneficial. Also an expansion and diversification of the economy. Would have to rely on shipping at first until geographic density ticks up
I definitely had first heard of nostr through a couple of my local freedom cell members, and I did mainly come on board with the intention of using it for private group communications. Unfortunately, most of nostr's tech (and even the concept) is way over the heads of majority of our members. Since a freedom cell cannot rely on 1 or 2 people to function. I've been (slowly) trying to onboard people and not having much success because once they get here, there's still so much more for the average person to do besides just show up and make an introduction post... setting up a wallet, relays, getting through the first week or so without reply guy spam bombarding your feed (and other glitchy things because you're still building your WOT), all those things almost made me leave a week in. And I consider myself a tech nerd lol. People are used to signing up for something and it just works (Twitter, etc.). It's going to take more than just me to get that going. Right now we have our email list, in-person meetings, and Telegram (yeah, we know).
I have my eye on this exact set of problems and I think they are totally solvable. Basic blocks are: - private community-based relay (none of the naive users need to even think about or know about this) - a simple Nostr client mobile native app that works just as a naive user would expect (think simple feed + group chat + DMs) and nothing more. - the client would be configurable to only deal with a subset of relays at a time. A "context". So at first it would by default be set to the starting community relay. New users would only see that stuff and wouldn't have to know anything else exists - IF (only IF!) they want to branch out from there, they could add other relays to a separate "context". So their default experience would still be their direct community, but they could flip into other, broader relay sets if they choose. - no wallet, no zaps, no fancy NIPs. Installable from major app stores. Download it, enter your community's URL that your friend told you, and you're good. Hell, you could do all that with an in-person QR code. And then naturally if they want to use other clients they can go wild into the wide world of Nostr as usual. But if not, they just think of this app as "their private community communication app" and they can stop there.
I never got notified of this reply 😭 I agree there could be a walled garden setup like you outline, ideal for all kinds of private groups wanting to use nostr like you would private Telegram groups (and replace them, eventually). The URL or qr code invite would be crucial in onboarding members to the group too. Right now, our local group has a main private Telegram group chat whose entry is protected from entry by a lobby chat, where people are basically asked to tell us how they found the group, and we can invite them (or not) to the main group.
Agreed about the invite flow. My simple/moron solve for that initially is: human trust. Group members have a private QR code that will allow anyone in who scans it. So people should be extremely discriminating with handing it out. When you have a _valuable_ and super high trust unit like that, people are naturally incentivized to protect it.
We already are careful with Telegram invite links, and once the person that we invited joins, we revoke the link to deactivate it. I'm guessing something similar could be done with the private nostr channel?
While listening to a live stream of Unloose the Goose back in early 2021, I met some local people who invited me to their freedom cell, and after a while of taking part, I started my own cell because the bigger one always had their stuff happening in Minneapolis, whereas I'm in St. Paul. Mine's much smaller, but we're still trying to grow because there aren't a lot of anarchists around here. Freedomcells.org is a good place to start and see If you have one in your area. If not, they recommend you to start one. If you want to start some other way, looking up John Bush freedom cell on YouTube gives an idea of how he started his own local community. View quoted note β†’
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