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this is an insane take from you I thought you were smart, but you listened to two interviews with filter bros and assumed you got both sides try listening to the hell money episode about the topic

You didn't summarize why you perceive this as an "insane take". First: I had to look up "hell money" and not sure if i found whatever you have in mind, but they have many episodes. There is a "filters dont work" from a month ago and a "bitcoin embraces spam" from 4 days ago. Others seem unrelated. Could you be more specific on what you mean? Second: The videos i linked arent the first time i am engaging with this topic. I engage with it on and off since it started, but because in this case it features prominent folks from both sides, i consider it important too. Adam says many things, but in essence core30 is multiple op returns with up to 100kb by default even though inscriptions are cheaper, so incentive wise nobody would use it apart from it being an officially sanctioned standard to upload data to the chain for it to be stored for free forever by everyone. Inscriptions and other methods are hacks or creative uses of features that were not meant to be used to store data and the knots fork wants to work towards reducing or eliminating any onchain data that isnt about transactions or rather when in doubt, deny it, while core is about give people options and let them do what they are willing to pay for because its all just data. Feel free to share your actual reasoning what your take is or what you find so insane with the take i shared :-)...that would be more useful than vaguely pointung towards a podcast without sharing a specific link nor a summary of what it is that would give a gist about why you would claim something as strong as "insane take" followed up by basically an insult... 🙄

So I checked and i assume the "bitcoin core embraces spam" is the episode you refere to. They dont have any special guests, its just hell money folks talking about the issues and explaining it. You claim they are the expert who know all details and can give you the best gist. Maybe you should reconsider. Don't you think that Adam Back, cypherpunk who is around from day1, among the first people to receive an email from satoshi nakamoto and CEO of blockstream (bitcoin core) AND... Luke Dashjr being the around since the early 2010s too who created the bitcoin knots fork initially ...would be a better source to represent all details and nuances from their perspective than hell podcast people doing their summary of both sides and drawing conclusions? Maybe try listening to the actual folks that matter, because they are literally more or less in the driver seat on both sides. When hell money swaggers about inscriptions and pros/cons and related context ... its not as if nothing could be done about it, but Luke (who is behind knots) suggested "bug fixes" to ordinals/inscriptions/etc... and they were not supported by core - which is evidence in line with the summary about differing "mission statements" i made initially

Honestly, this "hell money" folks arent really serious. They literally say stuff like: - luke just wants to control bitcoin - luke wants to hard fork - luke is crazy and vibing A lot of time is spent on all kinds of unrelated tangents, mostly name dropping and trivia, to give it a flavor or spin it in a specific direction. They do explore some of the facts, but most of the time they just small talk around all sorts of fictional and unrelated stuff - i would say more than 50% of that episode. I would highly recommend you to follow some more high quality content instead, especially if its such an important topic that changes the type of bitcoin nodes running in the network so significantly. Even weirder, Adam Back explains how OP_RETURN can be pruned and witness/inscription data cant and that podcast claims the opposite between minute 50-60 of that episode. Its so much lower quality - so much noise and very little signal compared to what i shared. I would urge you to watch the episodes i linked initially, because these include the actual people being literally involved in either core30 or knots.