A customer who I know is a big Ethereum guy told me “Nobody uses Lightning” right after a meetup about Lightning that 50 people showed up to on a freezing Thursday in January.
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but how many IRL LN TX's?
That's what you should show him
I'd bet at least 15
Yes
but check this out
I want to congratulate @Kevin Ravens₿erg ⚡️ ☁️ for finding an LN transaction and posting it
Let's see info he learned:
- sender? Himself -- assuming he sent from a self-custodial wallet, he even knows the address or channel of the sender, wow!
- recipient? He knows the recipient's communication pubkey, node, and node name -- though not learn the address or channel that received the money
- Amount? 69 sats
- Fee? less than 1 sat
That's a lot of info! More than I'd get from analyzing a monero transaction.
Reading this back, it sounds sarcastic; it's not, I am being genuine: this really is more info than I'd get from analyzing a monero transaction, and it motivates me to work on making LN better. Thanks Kevin!
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Plot twist, he’s blind.
After thinking about it, the sender of a monero actually *would* know that information, except the node identifiers. A monero transaction knows which pubkey is the "real" spender -- their own pubkey is the real spender -- and they know the recipient's address, because the spender derived it from the recipient's public key. They also know what amount they sent and what fee they paid. So the only "extra" information he got from the LN transaction was info about the recipient's node's name and ip address. And if I had used my own node (which has no public channels) he wouldn't have even gotten *that* info. The privacy on LN really is very good if you don't use a custodian.
So definitely use your own node or self-hosted channels
so everybody uses ethereum then, got it
Keep telling people your over complicating everything