But what does that even mean? You use the ham radio without a license, but then you get triangulated, there's a knock on the door, and you're issued a fine. How is that permissionless? You can just walk into a grocery store and take stuff, there's no gate. Doesn't mean shoplifting is a permissionless activity. It's just delayed consequences for not having permission. And it's the existence of the consequences that determine whether something is permissioned or not, not the exact timing of those consequences.