NOSTR really sucks for me. 
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Cross-posting without tailoring to the platform often doesn't work well. Someone might be big on Youtube and non-existent on X.
And specifically to Nostr, discoverability is quite low. Not as bad as with podcasts though :-)
Because you’re doing it wrong.
Try harder 😉
Whta does that even mean?
I mean honestly, if the discrepency is so big, how am I not trying hard enough.
Also I posted daily for the last 15 days on both platforms with same result.
Also did this last year 30 days consecutive posting, same result.
I dont see how anyone can try harder than this.
You’re following 1.9k on X vs Nostr only follow 198
You’ve been on X since March of 2016 vs Nostr since December of 2022
On X you repost others and interact vs only reposting yourself on Nostr and not interacting
On X you have 37,000 posts VS 53 on Nostr
I honestly just do not see how that is relevant.
And even more the proportions do not transfer.
I mean how is it not obvious that the reason for this is lack of discovery algorithm? It is 500 vs 1.
If you don’t see how any of that is relevant, it’s no wonder why people here don’t find your content relevant.
Nostr has no algorithm by design, and it doesn’t need one.
Every client has to have some algorithm. Most clients have chosen to implement the “display content from follows in chronological order” algorithm.
Okay, fair, you can call that an “algorithm” if you want to.
What he’s talking about is specifically a “discovery algorithm “
Nostr doesn’t need a “discovery algorithm” the whole purpose is to find other based on reposts of others, interactions, lists, and feeds.
1) did you even check what the post was about?
2) how do you explain this IMENSE discrepency between twitter and nostr?
How can the SAME content be AMAZING on X but suck on NOSTR?
Reposting + crossposting Twitter threads doesn’t work on here. The rules are different on nostr 🫡
Really well awhat about the other posts, that we not threads, and were an idividual post?
Because most of the time people get a chronological feed of everyone they follow, you get this waterfall where you have to hit a strike to grab some attention, and then that attention lasts for about 15 minutes or whatever. Your post on mining centralization/pools got some traction for example.
Simply crossposting your feed, is also simply throwing your posts into the void; there currently are no significant platforms to pick it up and carry it for you on Nostr.
1) yes, I went back a read your original post on both X and Nostr. On X you comment on your own posts as a “thread” but Nostr uses Article formatting for longer more blog-like posts. If you only using 1 client like Primal, you’re doing it wrong.
2) the discrepancy comes between your immense lack of interactions and engagement on one platform versus your immense need for paying for a blue check to “get seen” on the other platform. Plus you engage more other there.
3) For the same reason that Content can be AMAZING on LinkedIn and suck pretty much everywhere else. 
Don’t forget that you’re paying for that “visibility” and “engagement” on X.
So I really am the only one that sees the lack of a discovery algorithm a serious problem?
1) I have 100 other posts that were single post, and the results are the same
2) why do you think I have a lack of interactions? Because there is no discovery algorithm.
Brother, I write things that I want people to see, I am not playing any game!
Also lower time preference.
OMG.
It’s not a fair comparison at all.
Try the test again from a 2 year old X account and don’t engage with anyone on there; only follow sub 200 people; and don’t use an account with a blue check or 8,000 followers.
Again, if you don’t see how any of what I’ve said is valuable then I’m sorry, I can’t help you.
Did anyone on Twitter zap you any sats for your post?
OMG, you are something else.
There are discovery algorithms, many of them....probably not used very much, would not know. Highly underdeveloped domain for sure.
Sir, you are not in place; you started speaking a language. If you thought you found something that was competing head on with X-platform, you were mistaken. It these apps cant, not at this time atleast
Dude, I am pointing out a problem I have and I know others also do.
You dont even want to aknoalage that, you are making it sound like I am doing something wrong just for wanting my content to be seen by others.
I hope you are not discouraged btw. You do infact seem to post interesting content
You forgot to mention you got 1100 sats for the post on NOSTR ;)
I am sorry but I dont care about making money of this. I care about people seeing what I wrote and talking with them about this.
People in nostr probably already know half the stuff your saying?
Exactly. Cry baby?
Are you deliberately trying not to understand? You clearly understand p2p technology, @Logen gave you a clear breakdown of what might be causing the differences, and yet you continue to repeat yourself without considering the points.
My only charitable take here is that you are not aware that Nostr is p2p, in that case have a read here: 
Even after understanding that if you expect Nostr to be exactly like Twitter or whatever else, it's really not for you.
FWIW, I'll give you a follow because I generally liked when I saw your posts on Twitter.
get nostr!
Come join us on Nostr, a new protocol for more than socializing
you are bribing elon musk to push your post into people
did you know Nostr is 10000x smaller than X?
Invalid argument because:
1) other people are getting results, so there is a big enough market.
2) most of the people I reach on X are probably present on nostr, or similar people like them
There 2 t options:
1) logen is right, and I am such a idiot and can comprehend the basic things he explained
2) there is a lack of a discovery algorithm
Which one do you think it is?
Futher more what is so wrong in what I am doing.
I put a lot of time in researching Bitcoin topics and writting about them, and I just want to get them in front of some people that are interested in this.
Some how this is wrong, because?
how long did it take for you to build your audience on X? what did you do to build it?
a better comparison would be to create a fresh new account on X and start posting stuff
Let's make a bet on that. I'll give you 10:1 odds.
So you really think this post I made, which contains a few things never written before, is getting attention because of my blue check mark?
So the topic I chose and how I wrote and the explanations I have has nothing to do with this somehow?
they certainly have a lot to do with it
but try the same experiment without the bluecheck
and from a new account
I am sorry but how can you be so sure about this, when you did not even see the posts.
I have 45 posts that did numbers like this, you really think ALL of them are simply because of check mark?
And LETS JUST SAY IT IS.
You still dont think the BIG discrepency has something to do with the lack of a discovery algorithm.
I mean why can I not get at least 1 micron of credit ?
But I do not have a fresh account either. I used this account since 2022.
Plus when I started there was that tool that you import your followers.
Did you compare the Zaps?
What makes you believe that your success on Twitter is due to their discovery algorithm? And which version of it? Maybe you just got lucky there, or as others point out, put in more (audience targeted) effort and time.
1) I have gotten lucky in the last 15 days consecutively?
2) I have done this last year, I have 30 days where I got lucky also?
So how can I get lucky 45 consecutive times. I mean I have a higher chance of finding a bitcoin block by hand.
But that's not the point, the point is that CONSISTENTLY anything I post here gets 1/2 likes if anything.
So how can there be such a BIG discrepancy?
But the most surprising thing is that people just do not want to even consider that may be a possibility.
You made content tailored to x algorithm (attention seeking threadboi shit) and expected it to do well on a protocol that demands authenticity, trust, and real connections.
It’s a learning curve, my man. But just because these two things can look the same doesn’t mean they are.
Nostr is a different beast.
What is inauthentic in what I posted?
Who did you write this post for? Who was the audience in your head while you were writing?
I don't fucking write for an audience dude.
I write stuff that I want to read.
😂 ok
You already have the followers, which I suspect any discovery algorithm takes into account.
Nostr is public conversation 😅
I hope you realize that importing followers doesn't make any sense
I've just agreed with you that you do have credit, but people must first see your stuff before they decide to like it
and no one has seen your stuff on nostr because no one follows you
and no one is being tricked by elon musk to see posts of people who bribe him
I hope you are happy now that your drama about not getting attention has gotten you a lot of attention
It's not like I inserted a floppy disk and loaded followers.
But it followed the people that would recognise in my twitter follower lis and these people would see hey this guy is on nostr, so this way you would tranfer some of the follows.
cmon.
Right, because clearly this is what I was after.
Needs more cowbell.
why do you assume people are seeing that you're following them? that's not even true on X, much less here
success happens often by unexpected means
I am simply trying to explain that your expectation do not allign all that wel with the current Nostr environment.
Is your problem that your identity, and its associated network is at risk of destruction? Is your problem your content is at risk of deletion without means to do something about it?
No, using Nostr, those things are not problems.
Is your problem you are not tapping into a massive network, that carries your message to others in sophisticated and explicit ways (the 'algorithm')?. Appearently, yes. I understand. But please understand that you make a category error by thinking this is a 'Nostr' problem. Nostr is a protocol that allows for the entire rework of the web as a whole. 'Nostr' potentially has all 'algorithms' imaginable. Its just small and underdeveloped. You are not wrong that there is a 'problem', other than that the problem you point to is that 'Nostr' as such is not a platform...correct.
Gaining tracktion currently requires a different approach. Given that this post of yours generated a lot of buzz, and your content is decent, hopefully things will improve for you in the future.
Try posting the longer post in a longform kind, people might search those more than they would search for kind1 posts. You can subsequently share those articles with a reference in a kind1 post.
Best of luck
Why?
Try posting more about cows and bicycles. I like cows and bicycles.
Or take your t shirt off. That’s also popular here.
Cows and bikes yes sure
idk about the shirt off
Might require big bobs for more interaction
Maybe that just works on Primal? Hmm…
Where isin't taking your shirt off popular? :D
I could see myself investing in a b00b job.
You have some points. There’s some accounts I follow and look forward to reading but will miss their posts entirely because timing difference or it’s between bunch of others I follow who post a shit ton. I have to put a notification on to get pounded when they post anything to get it
Exactly it's like using the internet without google.
I do get that it's early and things are not easy to build, but dear God I do not understand these people who act like have a way to get the information you want is a bad thing.
I think a market place for algos will come but we’re so early
more complaining should fix it
They both had 0
Nostr is a protocol, not a product. The purpose is whatever each client decides to build on top of it. Not everyone wants to discover content through a chronological feed. Some people are even experimenting with alternatives to a feed. There will be many clients and algorithms to choose from.
it´s buffering like a snail indeed
Honestly thats the least of it's problems.