Honestly, this "hell money" folks arent really serious. They literally say stuff like: - luke just wants to control bitcoin - luke wants to hard fork - luke is crazy and vibing A lot of time is spent on all kinds of unrelated tangents, mostly name dropping and trivia, to give it a flavor or spin it in a specific direction. They do explore some of the facts, but most of the time they just small talk around all sorts of fictional and unrelated stuff - i would say more than 50% of that episode. I would highly recommend you to follow some more high quality content instead, especially if its such an important topic that changes the type of bitcoin nodes running in the network so significantly. Even weirder, Adam Back explains how OP_RETURN can be pruned and witness/inscription data cant and that podcast claims the opposite between minute 50-60 of that episode. Its so much lower quality - so much noise and very little signal compared to what i shared. I would urge you to watch the episodes i linked initially, because these include the actual people being literally involved in either core30 or knots.