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Post-modernism is the “philosophical” foundation of this form of insanity.

But man haven't you heard, objective reality is a patriarchal heteronormative white supremacist concept?

Once they want to dismiss any criticism without sticking with the issues (feelings are close)

I'd be careful with this line of reasoning. I've been an INTJ most of my life & would probably have agreed with you 3 years ago. I ignored my feelings as being irrational & emotional. That's now changed & I trust my feelings far more than my rational mind. I often ask why I feel a certain way but I rarely dismiss them. The people that win have better beliefs. Beliefs come before emotions, thoughts & actions. They shape your reality (there is no objective reality but there is a shared reality). The people you're talking about have limiting beliefs. They believe an individual can choose their gender & everyone else should respect that choice. They believe everyone else should adopt their beliefs because they don't choose their beliefs. They get them handed to them from the WEF via the latest programming. When you argue with them, you immediately challenge their beliefs which illicits an emotional reaction. You're essentially challenging their reality & they perceive it as a direct attack. The core problem isn't emotions. It's the layers upon layers of divergent beliefs you're trying to cut through. Cognitive dissonance will eventually destroy their fragile reality. Many felt that during COVID which sent people one of 2 ways. They either doubled down on the irrational beliefs or they broke down & reassessed some of them. Don't dismiss your emotions as irrational. They arise from external stimuli filtering through your beliefs. Emotions arise first & then your thoughts arise to justify your emotions. Any good salesman knows this consciously or intuitively. Sell to their heart & their mind will close the deal.

Emotions are a natural part of the human experience. But "feeling like a woman" is not a real thing. It's a delusion. If feelings do not align with reality (if someone is deathly afraid of clowns or elevators or something) it is their responsibility to align their feelings with reality. There is an objective reality. No person has the ability to tell perfectly what is objectively true, but we can generally tell what is closer or farther from the truth given some time. The people who cling to delusions tend to feel increasingly anxious, more easily triggered, & more powerless. The amount of truth or reality they need to avoid to maintain their delusions tends to grow with time. People who are aligned with reality tend to feel more relaxed & efficatious with time.

What you're seeing is the contrast. People whose reality is so different to yours (and the reality of most of people that you respect) that it appears clearly wrong & invalid. Don't mistake that as being proof of an objective reality though. I know it's unsettling, but the existence of an objective reality is an illusion. It is Maya. Everyone's reality is unique & is constantly shifting & changing. Most people allow their reality to bend to what they believe others perceive. Think about it. Everything we know to be true has been perceived by our senses & then translated into this thing we call reality. We both share a superficial reality. We can interact peacefully & civally without getting emotional or resorting to violence. Our realities align but they are never exactly the same. We both hear, see & think differently when exposed to the same stimulus. We can reach a shared understanding in order to exchange value. These other people hold such a divergent reality that it is near impossible to exchange value with them. I find it difficult to even be in the presence. Their reality is incompatible with my reality. I don't try to shift their reality though, I usually just avoid interacting with them. You believe in the idea of an objective reality. I believe that reality is a divine play of illusion. That none of this is real. It took me many years to accept this & I'm not judging you for believing different. Neither one of us can decisively prove that the other is wrong. It is a purely a matter of belief, whether you believe it or not.

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its wild to me that the Indians were debating these things and arriving at these conclusions thousands of years ago with just the tools of reasoning and logic, and mediative insight and here we are in our so-called advanced civilisation with all its so-called advanced paraphernalia slowly drawing similar conclusions ✌

Nope. It's only tobacco. It's a mind-blowing concept I know. People have been pointing to this truth for millennia & I'm only just feeling my way into it.

Yes - so wild! Native Americans, Hindus, Buddhists, Gnostics, Taoists, they all point to the same thing. I'd wager that the Bible, Koran & Talmud all have similar wisdom encoded into their original texts & hidden in plain sight. We were all just so caught up in the physicality & drama of it all that we couldn't see what was right there. There are no coincidences.

100% certain. You can't have an emotion unless you first have a belief/definition. I've played with my beliefs extensively over last 20 years. I've thrown everything out & started again. I've searched for existing unconscious beliefs that seem to be at odds with my conscious ones. I've played with new beliefs & adopted only those that served me, to later tweak them or drop them again entirely. It's not something I'd advise everyone to start just messing with. It's definitely playing with fire. I've questioned my sanity many times & even spent time in a psych unit. Your beliefs are so so important to your existence in this crazy world. The controllers don't like it when you start questioning the nature of things. In terms of timing, look at your hands & clap once. Did you think you saw your hands clap in real time? It's all a memory of something you sensed moments ago. Your brain is only just perceiving those signals as a clap. From your eyes sensing the light & your ears sensing the vibration to your hands sensing the clap itself. All of it takes time to go to your brain & then unjumble it into a sensation that you can experience. It all happened in the past but your mind made it feel like you witnessed it in real time. It was all just a memory.

I’ll go with the Taoist idea that they arise mutually. Sometimes the belief is before the emotion.. sometimes the emotion is before the belief.

Of course you would. Free will is about the ability to choose your beliefs & I'd never try to rob someone of their free will.

I see what you're getting at here and in some ways I agree, but Truth does exist. Logos. For example, if I were to say that men can give birth I would be lying. Likewise if I said that 4+4=10 I would be incorrect. No amount of lying, even if every human on the planet believed it could change reality. I am resigned to the fact that people tell and believe lies, but I would not be willing to say their perspective is valid.

As soon as someone says I feel 'like' they are about to say something which is not a feeling. Emotions are not the same as strategies for correcting an emotional state. Someone with gender dysphoria might feel anxious, confused, disgusted, scared, angry, depressed, resentful or any combination of those emotions plus more. Feeling 'like' a woman is not a feeling. The decision that one needs to chop off their penis and take pharmaceuticals for the rest of their lives is a strategy to correct an underlying emotional disturbance.

I can think of 2 ways that you can prove it or disprove it to yourself: - adopt a belief & see what unexpected emotions arise within you under certain stimuli. This is much slower but you'll do this anyway if you're going down this path. - wait until you experience a strong negative emotion (ie wait to be triggered). Ask yourself what would I have to believe about myself for this to be true? The first is just observing actions, thoughts & feelings shift as you adjust & rearrange your beliefs. The second is a technique for uncovering those beliefs you hold without consciously being aware of them. Once you identify & can articulate an irrational belief, it dissolves.

What I was getting at was Jeff enabled me to integrate something I hadn't quite been able to yet. He was the perfect mirror for me at that moment in time. I'd wager he's blissfully unaware of the value he gave me. I want to argue the points you raised but perhaps it's best saved for another time. Math is the closest to an objective truth I've come across & Bitcoin is math. There are no coincidences. 💚🫂

🤔 Math is this tricky thing... Its less objective than people realize, I think. It starts with symbolic and false assumptions (numbers), though true enough to get started, then goes through logic (the math, also Logos), then comes back to a false but useful enough symbolic conclusion - a number. Only the middle part is objective, and its not objective in the way people usually use the word. I'm not saying 4+4=anything other than 8. The process is the objecrivity. But if you measure a table as 4 feet long, then you're actually wrong. It's actually 4 feet and some decimal with infinite digits. But the measurement was useful enough. So what I'm saying is, Truth isn't a static thing - its a process - so neither can objective reality be static things. Symbols are representative of a reality we can interact with (process) but never actually know. This might've been off topic. Anyways...

I'm not sure of what use it is to believe in "a divine play of illusion" or how you even define such a thing. But you cannot build cars & airplanes & skyscrapers in a subjective world. Again, our inability to perfectly determine every detail of our objective reality doesn't make it any less objective. I do agree that the divide between perspectives is a primary source of social conflict, & people could be divided & both be equally wrong, but the feelings of helplessness & anxiousness when it comes to interacting with the world is a good sign that you are wrong.

Right! Truth with a capital T in any category is unreachable, and any duration of time is insufficient to reach it, despite getting closer forever. To veer into the spiritual, if the goal is oneness in any way, such as the Christian sense of oneness with God or the more inscrutable Buddhist sense of oneness, then getting there requires divine intervention. And then veering back into math, the two solutions that would be excluded are you already being infinite or you being nothing. But they can't be excluded in the spiritual sense, because both are logical - you yourself are an object in this universe and are infinitely indefinable, which is both the null answer and infinity. The conclusion is : be humble and stack sats. And pray.

The danger in believing in an objective reality is that it limits you. It limits what you perceive as well was what you believe you can achieve. It limits your creativity by limiting what you believe is possible. You can still build an aeroplane without believing in an objective reality. The guys who first built a plane were told that it was impossible. That was my point. Along the way I confused this point with other concepts you're clearly not ready for yet. I'm sorry that I did that. 2 + 2 = 4 Men have a penis, girls have a vagina. 🫂💚