I don’t understand the obsession with custodial and non custodial lightning wallets Most normies will never have a self custodial on chain setup let alone self custodial lightning setup Lightning is for spending and people should not be shamed for using convenient solutions to spend bitcoin We should be working to onboard as many people as possible to these solutions as long as they understand the risks and they know not to keep more than the cash they keep on their wallet in a custodial setup. The more people we have using lightning the bigger crowd we have the more we can say fuck you to the government that the monero clowns seem to be so worried about

If they are onboarding to a custodian, they are not on boarding in my opinion. I don't shame them. I also agree with you that normies won't have a node. That's the problem with lightning. And I agree we should be working to on board as many people. I think lightning is a bad way to do it. That's the disagreement. Lightning will never be for normies. That doesn't mean push them to custodial lightning. It means come up with a solution normies CAN use custodially.

More custodial wallets isn't more people using lightning. It's the same people running lightning, just getting bigger.

Lemme just ask. Do you have a lightning node? If no, why not? Too much capital requirement? Too hard in general? Running a lightning node is almost like a full time job if you want it to actually work right and get bigger. That's exactly the problem. If it's too much for a normies to run, we need a different solution. Do you understand the obsession with shaming ETFs? Why? It's the same thing imo. Bitcoin you don't own. Just like with a custodial lightning wallet.

Not with halfway competent self-custodial either. I agree there is lots of incompetent self-custodial tho.

That's the problem with lightning... It takes lots of money and time and education to run a competent self custodial lightning node.

Custodial in this case destroys privacy benefits that LN could offer and it will keep people dumb. Trusting third parties forever.