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Aeneas 1 year ago
Be wise, use Monero 😎 #Monero #nostr #bitcoin
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Given your infosec background, I'm sure what I am about to say is nothing new for you, so I am mostly speaking to "the room" here. Yes, Lightning offers better privacy than Bitcoin when set up properly, but it also has a more complex system, equating to a larger attack surface. LN's privacy features are not automatic; users must understand and manage their privacy settings actively, which can lead to unintentional exposure of transaction details. A fundamental privacy weakness persists in the asymmetric nature of Lightning transactions—the sender learns extensive details about the receiver's node, channels, and liquidity, while the receiver learns nothing about the sender. Plus, there's the persistent hassle of maintaining channel liquidity. Even with proper setup, Lightning faces critical privacy vulnerabilities against global adversaries who can monitor network traffic—while individual participants can't see payment details, entities capable of monitoring internet connections can track payment flows by observing message patterns between nodes, making its privacy guarantees fundamentally weak against sophisticated surveillance. Lightning falls well short of the anonymity provided by Monero with its stealth addresses, ring signatures, and RingCT—and soon, Full-chain Membership Proofs (FCMPs) will fix current vulnerabilities like the Exchange Attack Everywhere (EAE) attack. With FCMPs, every input will have a 100-million anonymity set, up from the current 16 Ring Signatures. Where privacy is a concern, I still recommend Monero over Lightning for most people, as Monero's privacy features are built-in on the base layer and work by default.
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Jim Smij 1 year ago
I need to use #monero... any good resources out there. I need some basic "how to's" tia for any help. thx
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Wizdumb 1 year ago
Just curious here, have you read the book “Softwar” by Jason Lowery? #bitcoin is an absolute unit on so many levels. #monero has some awesome cryptography, no doubt. But #btc is simply going to consume the world.
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Aeneas 1 year ago
getmonero.org is a good place to start. But what you want to know specifically?
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Aeneas 1 year ago
Never read it. Did you read Bitcoin Hijacked, Roger Ver? Bitcoin can't scale to consume the world 👀
the Bitcoin white paper said that Bitcoin had faults in it and should be worked on hey they did that that's called Monero
oh boy Jim Cramer said hold the Bitcoin you know what that means boys lol
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Jim Smij 1 year ago
thx. I'll take a look. a "friend" wants to secure their btc by running it through monero. it's "in" a hardware wallet, all safe and sound, but I'd, I mean "they" would like it to make it "disappear" from prying eyes, not from the irs to avoid taxes or anything like that, purely security reasons... is what "they" would like to do. #stack #hodl #rinserepeat
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Wizdumb 1 year ago
Yes, Roger Ver is a dubious character with dubious motives. Indeed, #bitcoin has trade offs. Scale/scaling has been a fun buzzword for #btc critics for a long time now, I understand. Definitely give “Softwar” a read and go from there 👀
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Jim Smij 1 year ago
ah, a purest. I like it. well, since I can't throw some change at you, I will give a follow. scroll down my notes, if you deem worthy, follow back. I do share stupid shit, sarcasm is my 1st language, but I do try to help the nostr newbies, even though I still know so little. thanks again, c u l8r. #smij
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Wizdumb 1 year ago
A couple things to consider here… #bitcoin was designed to be transparent, it’s a feature. While I 💯 agree that privacy in financial transactions is imperative for private citizens, if a money is going to take over the world economy/financial system then public entities and people in the public sector should not be afforded the same privacy. If the most secure monetary layer (BTC L1) is the settlement layer and also the most transparent, then transactions of political and public interest can be and will be subject to review by all. This means corrupt politicians, governments, donors, banks, lobbyists etc can’t hide their bullshit anymore. As for the private sector, there are L2 solutions that enhance/provide scalability and privacy for the everyday pleb transactions that should remain anonymous and private. Everything has trade offs, you can’t create a neutral, global, digital monetary network intended to subvert the global currencies without considering everything. If an L1 public ledger is necessary to root out government, political, and financial corruption, and then adding a feature-rich L2 for smaller players is necessary for smaller/private transactions…so be it. This is my perspective and opinion, I’m not saying #bitcoin from a technical standpoint is better inherently than #monero. I’m just considering the entire macro viewpoint of what it would look like for a sound money to infiltrate the world’s banking and geopolitical systems. To me, it looks more like L1 and L2 #bitcoin.
We can have the same transparency for politicians, govs etc on the Monero blockchain with a so called view key. This makes it possible to watch the transactions and we all have privacy per default. Layer 2 solutions on Bitcoin have all weak points. The sell you Lightning as privacy solution which it isn't. Ecash and Co is custodial and so on. Bitcoin is not anonymous its pseudonymous.
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Wizdumb 1 year ago
I admittedly have a lot to learn about #monero. It seems superior to #btc in many ways. What reasons do you attribute to it having such a small market capitalization compared to #btc ? Removed from major exchanges? Coded years later? Network effects? Other?
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Aeneas 1 year ago
I learn what i need to learn about bitcoin years ago, and saw what happened to it, i also read satoshi emails and what core devs refuse to do that were on the roadmap, and i see everyone building to feed the bags and not to have a truthful censorship resistant money. I also see that bitcoin mining is a big point of failure because community and core devs refuse to develop the bitcoin P2Pool that would make mining decentralized and was abandon 12 years ago. Man i understand how the software works and i understand that it is not a tool for me, i don't want to be at the mercy of the good will of governments, and bitcoin is at the price it is today because it isn't the promise that once were, that was defund the banks, and keep the state out of our money. I think that you giving me a tip to read softwar and go for there shows that you think im a newbie on this world, and im not. And i refuse even read propaganda books from the ones that helped to hijack bitcoin. That's softwar, thats bitcoin standard, etc etc.. And by what i see you don't know or understand Monero, and maybe it's time for you to go from there, learn it and then come again without propaganda discuss software. And only one more thing that bitcoin maxis are trapped, is to think that a fixed cap makes a coin deflationary, when it isn't, and that's is basic economics.
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Aeneas 1 year ago
It's simple, it's a coin that has a change to take power from banks and from state, thats why the delistings the bans and prohibitions on countries, and that's why paid influencers talk shit about it. Bitcoin as it is today, in the same conditions of Monero would worth near 0. And Monero doesn't have the points of failure of bitcoin if the legislation turns against it, and it js the only one coin battle-tested against censorship. So see the difference, a coin that is supported by the system and the banks has had difficulties surpassing its all-time high, while a coin that is increasingly banned and delisted remains in the top 50 by market cap. However, there is a significant difference, it continues to be the number one currency used for payments, not even Bitcoin can beat that mark. It makes you think, doesn't it?
95% or even more ppl who own Bitcoin are in for more fiat. They are interested in gains. Bitcoin has a lot of big players, hedge fonds, govs etc. So in reality not really great for a coin which should be used for P2P as the narrative switches from P2P cash to digital gold. Ppl just hold it. That all pumps the volume and the market. Bitcoin is wrong promoted, as privacy solutions, as censorship resistant solutions which is all wrong in some way and ppl think that's all true. Monero on the other hand is used for P2P, as digital cash. It's not that easy to get Monero (but also not hard) as it is delisted.