the reason this keeps happening is because people like you keep ignoring the obvious, monero is a superior privacy tool, like bitcoin is a superior savings/anti inflation technology vastly more secure (hashrate) and with a much bigger community/network effect. any monero guy denies such things, the others slap some sense into him. but it's not the same with bitcoiners, is it? and by the way, here's one for you to consider: there is no "we bitcoiners", you are making a categorical mistake. 99.9% of monero users are bitcoiners too, but they're more honest and rational, which is how they ended up in #monero but most bitcoiners are not monero users. it used to be different in the beginning, as most of us actually USED bitcoin and realized how privacy and anonymity-deficient it is. so naturally we recognized monero for what it was when it came out. simply put: if you're in this for freedom and privacy, there is no way monero is not part of your arsenal. there is MASSIVE cognitive dissonance with most bitcoiners, because they turned bitcoin into a fucking football club or religion type of deal. it's just a tool. and as a tool it sucks for privacy, sorry. so we have monero, that's great FOR US ALL. thank you for your attention to this matter!