Looking back I wasted so much time being loyal to the wrong people. Massive miscalculation. Probably a self worth issue on my end. I extended loyalty to those who didn’t deserve it and of course it blew back on me. It was my fault, not theirs. They never deserved it in the first place. This is what stoicism is all about. Looking back and realizing that you were actually the cause of all your suffering. Not others.

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I was loyal to a group of people and was offered something many years ago that i didn’t take due to misplaced loyalty. Life lessons. Would have made me a multi millionaire . These things happen to teach you. 🤙
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jitz66 2 years ago
All my apparent miscalculations dictate todays decisions, BTC perfect example. I suspect I’ll make a few more miscalculations let’s go!!
We all create our own reality. The challenges you created are for your future evolution. It’s a wonderful system harmony and balance.
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Mr Eugenides 2 years ago
Exactly what I needed to hear at exactly the right time. Thank you.
I feel that way about my medical coworkers. I was loyal and 100% dependable, and did good work for *decades* but refuse an experimental vaccine and it’s like that history never happened.
Good thoughts brother. I'm glad you can see the forest for the trees and are out of the woods with all that bullshit. Stay strong.
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banjo 2 years ago
The only person who you can count on to be loyal to you is yourself (and sometimes even then, you'll still let yourself down). That's not to say you shouldn't trust others--just keep in mind that everyone is fallible, and likely to at some point disappoint you. Part of life's lessons I suppose....
Yes. When the Buddhists translate “life is suffering” the real word is called dukkha and suffering is actually a poor translation. It more means self frustration. You’re the source of your own self frustration and you can take that power back pretty much whenever you decide to.
the story you posted on trying to help friend made me understand way better where you're coming from in the recent years. sorry it went like that and thanks for sharing it
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A story that illustrates why I will never orange pill anyone ever again. 2015- Attempt to orange pill friend multiple times. No dice. Totally uninterested. 2019- He asks me if now is a good time to get into bitcoin. “It’s always a good time”. I set him up with a HW wallet and tell him DCA and chill. 2019- Friend calls me a few months later, he wants to put the down payment money for his house into bitcoin, but he’s nervous. I say no worries I will backstop your investment. What’re friends for?! I want you to succeed. He now has a no risk investment. Financed by me. 2020: Friend is doing well. Has been stacking hard and has 2 coins. A great stack for his income. 2021: He starts watching cringey YouTube videos about shitcoin trading. Gets into a private telegram, trades his 2 bitcoin into 4 and then gets rug pulled and loses everything. 2021: He’s near suicidal, very dark times. He doesn’t tell me anything because he knows I warned him about trading and thinks I’ll be disappointed in him. Finally he tells me. I help him get a personal loan so he can take advantage of the remainder of the bull run. He sells at 55k and manages to break even. He’s not up but he’s got his house money back. 2023: We’re out drinking with some other friends from high school. He expresses some jealousy towards me in a semi awkward fashion. “Every time I see this dude (me) I think about bitcoin.” 2024: I meet up with him so the kids can play at the park. Vibe is off. Lots of insecurity and tension. They’re going on a trip to San Diego and I ask if they might go to the zoo while there. “I can’t afford that. That’s for rich people like you”. Odd interaction, but I shake it off. 2024: A few weeks later he gets drunk and hits on my wife via text messages. She shows me immediately and I confront him. He’s like “sorry bro I was drunk I didn’t mean it”. I tell him off and make clear this is the last time we will ever speak. No good deed goes unpunished. I could not have been nicer to this dude and more helpful along the way and he is fully consumed by envy towards me. Unfortunate.
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I gave up trying to get friends into it. They all laughed behind my back. Thought I was an idiot who had been sucked into a scam. I’m doing very well and I think they still think the same. I don’t let it bother me. I tried to help them because I care about them and their families. Now they will have to come to me. When they r if ever ready.
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rand0mguest2 2 years ago
All part of a hero’s journey. Without these betrayals we wouldn’t be who we are today. Forgive but don’t forget
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nobody 2 years ago
Same here man. Was just talking to my wife about a "friend" that I put years of energy into and just never got it back. Sometimes you just take the L and move on.
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PHILIP 2 years ago
Many things end up being a self worth issue.
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EmilG 2 years ago
I’m at this place now. Where from here now?
mate sometimes you say stuff that makes me think we run parallel lives. This is my experience. You go out and make a bit of money or whatever, and then someone in your life is struggling. You're their friend, and they say they arent happy, they have an obstacle in their life stopping them from getting on. There are 2 types of people. The first uses your help and because they truly wanted what they said. The second, was using the obstacle as a excuse to avoid achieving their potential, and now its awkward b/c you've called their bluff by believing in them more than they believed in themselves, and they're scared. Too guilty or ashamed to say, they let you down, ghost you etc. Of course we're ultimately responsible. I would now, no sooner help someone who is not ready to evolve, than I would give a child an axe and a chainsaw because they want to be a fireman when they grow up.
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Peter Heino 2 years ago
That's 100% how hospital hierachy works and I feel it's mostly like that in big corporations in our fiat world: 1. In the beginning they make you feel completely worthless until you start believing it 2. At some point you'll get accepted if you stay long enough (out of "wrong loyality") and endure their bullying 3. You start bullying the new ones yourself
Yeah this is so true. You have to allow people their comfortable delusions. Trying to pierce those delusions and get them to better themselves is seen as the ultimate form of confrontation.