I'm trying to think of a place that the US has sent troops into that wasn't already a mess. The idea that Vietnam or Somalia or Haiti or Iraq are worse because the US went in is laughable. They were already humanitarian disasters and were subsequently given huge opportunties to improve along the lines of Germany or Japan after WW2. But because of their own internal corruption, these countries squandered them.
I'm not for the foreign involvement, but the idea that these places were blissfully going along in freedom and harmony until the US showed up is ridiculous.
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How you think Iraq is better off now is beyond me. Have you forgetten what happened in the last two decades? You're either willfully forgetting or only pinning everything on that No Saddam = good.
A million+ civilians died in Iraq. ISIS was created and killed further thousands of people in Syria, Iran became stronger, the whole region destabilized. And after all said and done, the country and the people are literally far behind where it was. There haven't been any stable government since, only ongoing sectarian wars and tribalism.
The only winner from Iraq war was Israel, maybe that's why the media still call it a good result.
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The ME region has been destabilized since the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, which was mostly due to internal conditions. Blame it on the French and English if you want, but the US didn't cause the vast majority of the problems or the majority of the war-related deaths in the Middle East. Tribal warfare and ancient arrogance did. Millions have died in the past century in the region, and it had nothing to do with the US. What you don't have now is widespread war in the region, which is an improvement in my view.
This is some absolutely retarded shit.
Everyone of those places is worse off because of USA imperialism
You're right on one account, that modern problems started with Sykes-Picot. I'm under no illusions that I blame the French and Brits for that. Particularly, for planting Israel here.
The region had at least one major war every decade since 1948. Go ahead and verify that. Eventually, the British and French influence waned, and American influence waxed.
America's fingers are in every major war in the region since 1967. That's 6 decades ago.
Having said that, the region was mostly peaceful since the crusades and Mongol invasion just under a millennium ago. Yes there were empires fighting (namely Ottomans VS. Memlukes and Ottomans VS. Safavids), but it's nowhere near what we had since the cursed agreement.
Moreover, every country in the Middle East has been in at least one war since 1967 (perhaps except Oman and Qatar, even if they participated in the first Gulf War in 1991). Now, I'm sure not all these wars are American made, but surely American influenced. Again, go ahead and verify that.
In any case, you changed the goal posts. I was specifically talking about Iraq since 2003, and that particular war (and it's results) is squarely American made. There is no way you pin it on the Brits and the French. While I'm no Saddam supporter by any mean, Iraq and the region are far worse since. There are no two ways about it.
So, no, the region has not improved. And for most of the people here it's a trifecta of Western interference (including, but not limited to, Israel and the US), despots, and reactionary movements like ISIS. Those three have devastated the region. And be under no illusion, most people don't see light at the end of the tunnel.