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jack 2 years ago
No. And you can’t either. Technically relay operators can delete your notes, but that’s why you connect to multiple relays. And can run your own (but most folks won’t do that).
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Jack can any mod delete my posts on nostr yes or no?
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Self custody Run your own node Run your own relay The pathway of the gods, to hyperborea 🤝
Sounds similar to how Mastodon works, with servers run by administrators who set rules for the members of the community and technically can delete posts. Nostr is similar in this sense?
I think they will. Relays could just be paid for service in nostr client, and spun up on some cluster. We have not even scratched surface of the relay paradigm, relay filtering, relay selection per publish, relay multiplexing, relay hops.
It's getting easy, pretty soon it'll be, a few clicks and some paid service in your client. Clients benefit from making money, and it's a nice easy service, so incentive is there. Most people will have relays.
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Geist 2 years ago
Yes and no, I'm not keen to the technical details of mastadon but it sounds like your data lives on a single mastadon server. On nostr you connect to multiple relays, I'm connected to 19 by default on amethyst, all 19 of those relays are storing and serving that content. One relay can delete my message on their database, that doesn't stop the other 18 from storing and serving it. You can connect to new relays depending on your preference for how much you want to spend, how reliable the relay is, how long you want your data stored. Its been speculated that relays will stop storing old data, but it doesn't seem to have happened yet. Additionally, relays are copying each others data even if you aren't directly connected to them, as jaff demonstrated recently. So, a relay can delete your messages from its own database, but it can't censor you or stop your message from getting out, doing so would require basically all relays to coordinate.
As exciting as Nostr is this sounds like it has the same fatal flaw as every other platform... When it gets popular, people will aggregate around a handful of (or network of) relays where most content will be published, then governments, NGOs and tankies will co-opt and monopolize these to impose their orthodoxy and control information. As it was with reddit, twitter, and more recently lemmy. Maybe I don't quite fully understand relays yet, but I don't see how this won't happen eventually.
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LOUDLABS 2 years ago
So technically IF the government bans Nostr. All posts can be deleted on any relay. Cause freedom of speech is not something the want. So anyone who runs a Nostr relay can be tracked back and fined huge amounts.
Probably a dumb question. I'm new to nostr, so still learning. Are there any advantages of running your own relay? Living in Africa I will also have to consider basic requirements such as bandwidth. But really love the decentralized and censorship free model. In 3rd world countries we know how valuable these basic principles are.
The difference is there’s no way to permanently remove your voice. If your banned from one relay, people will still always be able to find you through others. And there will be relays that some people aren’t on, that’s fine and by design.