I think we may be talking past each other a bit. Are you familiar with the already/not yet nature of our salvation, and by extension of eschatology? Or the fourfold state of man?
I again wholeheartedly agree that our fundamental identity is in Christ, and in him we are perfectly righteous, positionally. We should all endeavor to walk out our faith in accord with this reality. As you said, though we still can and do sin, we no longer are slaves to sin and can choose righteousness instead.
You want to, because of the above truths, abandon any acknowledgement that we still remain sinners, because we still do sin, in thought, word, and deed every minute of every day. Every breath we take without adequate gratitude toward God for giving it to us is sin. We ARE perfectly righteous in Christ, but that is based on his righteousness credited to us. That is the already nature of our salvation. We ARE seated with him in the heavenly places. We have a down-payment on the inheritance in the Holy Spirit dwelling in us. I do not deny any of that.
That said, we do still sin. Not just a little bit, but a lot. We are not yet glorified, but we war against the remaining corruption of the flesh every day. We still need to live a life of continual confession and repentance, relying on the grace of Christ to make progress in our sanctification, being conformed more and more to his image which we already have credited to us through faith.
I do not in any way advocate for a "sin centered life." When I say that I remain a sinner in need of Christ to continually help me mortify my remaining sin, it is hard to conceive of a more Christ-centered statement a person can make.
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Well said.
And no, Jesus could NOT sin. Temptability is not the same as peccability. As a Divine Person, he _could not sin_. Who says he could either a) believes that God himself can sin, or b) needs a refresher on Nicene Christology.
I don't think we're talking past each other. I think there's a major fundamental difference in values. Primarily I think I'm interpersonally and strategically connected, whereas I think (I could be wrong) you are theologically connected. I understand the nature of reality spiritually, psychologically and beyond, and I relate to Jesus, Father, Holy Spirit personally, and I look at scripture through these lenses. Based on this, false identity destroys people, and true identity sets people free, and I don't agree with most of the deeply flawed theology the church or certain denominations teach and that doesn't work in the application of bringing Heaven to Earth. The Kingdom of Heaven is now, and so is it's application, according to the life and words of Jesus. So when people make absurd assertions like, "You're the righteousness of Jesus, and a sinner," it's too illogical and unworkable relative not only to the scriptures but to the nature of reality and my relationship with God, I think of the people who can be destroyed by that satanic lie. This isn't an attack again you, it's against the real enemy. You can continue to believe and perpetuate the enemy's lie that saints are sinners and try to use scripture to support it, but it is hurting you and other people too. If you want to grow, it would behoove you to recognize that people are not what they do. Bless you!