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Guilty until proven innocent. Sounds like a reasonable policy for free country. BTW, anyone remember who invented guillotines?
Ça c'est grave !
Often struggle with this- If I buy from an exchange, switch from Lightning to Base Layer on Boltz, I'm still sort of tied to that initial purchase, am I not?
Only boltz knows, you must use tor.
Bien
Let france stand as an example of stupid policy
If a politician wants to do something similar we can reply "so, you want to be like france?"
Liquid will hide amounts, not addresses, so a blatantly obvious connection will remain.
Lightning.. yeah, good luck not screwing it up. The utxo that opens a channel is public knowledge and so are channel balances.
This is all downstream effects of lack of privacy on the L1. All satoshis have a history, this history can and will be used to discriminate between them - that's what this law does.
Entirely predictable, unfortunately.
Good thing I did not register .fr but coinjoin.nl 😅
If you zap me the funds I'll register it xD
Yes, the best solution is to install a personal node and open channels. When you need to spend, just use lightning. There are even p2p exchanges like Robosats which allows you to exchange lightning sats for fiat if you need it.
yeah 😕
either of those options have worse privacy than flipping into Monero
Or use Monero.
Yet I have people arguing tooth and nail that #monero and #bitcoin are both equally fungible.
Don't get me wrong I'm not a Bitcoin hater, I'm a bitcoiner, and France, GFY.
But saying taint doesn't exist doesn't make taint not exist.
Having said that, Bisq is a thing, use it.
https://expatriotic.me/acquiringHow do you feel using Wasabi considering the address reuse issue that SW pointed out and got ignored on?
It's simply past address reuse, not zero link and has known to have its work de-mixed/peeled back.
It's all out there.
No thanks, monero is a shitcoin with no limited supply and big blocks fucking up decentralization.
Taint is a mind virus. People have to use parrhesia, or die.
Just like that, monero followers are the exact definition of stupid, then they are incapable of showing a lightning transaction 😂
If monero was a threat wouldn't they try to ban it too? Clearly it ain't all that and mixing services are more of a pain.
What's next? They're going to ban payjoin and silent payments?
We can do this all day
This shows a little bit the ignorance of the state, it has always surprised me that they are chasing all this and they are not chasing Lighting, because the easiest way to introduce stolen bitcoins, or bitcoins coming from a coinjoin or marked, is to use lightning, the exchange will never know where they come from.
Lightning used well is a perfect washing machine, and increases almost to perfection the fungibility of bitcoin.
And the best thing is that there is nothing you can do to stop it.
But people could just use lightning and then use the exchange right?
"This can eventually lead to collapse and a loss of confidence."
At this level, I consider 99% of moneruchos to be gov agents in disguise.
The issue is that if you send money to an exchange through Lightning, the exchange cannot know where the money comes from, it is totally fungible money.
yes the exchange keeps lists use robosats or similar
Thanks for pointing out that issue, in Wasabi Wallet 2.0 you get warning signals in the spending menu when you try to spend coins with anonscore 1 (together with higher anonscore). This is a user error that can't be avoided by the protocol (other than implementing whale rounds). The same can be done for my coinjoin.nl coordinator rounds, as there are few participants there are lower privacy guarantees. That's why I try to gradually increase the minimum number of inputs required as my userbase grows.
I mean like, I agree... Taint is dumb. Doesn't change the fact that UTXOs are trackable
When was the last time you looked at CEX?
Monero has aready been banned from almost all CEX.
I have an article for them too.
A Blog by Expatriotic
Peach: Sell Bitcoin P2P
Bitcoin was created to be peer-to-peer. Yet in spite of this, most people have never experienced this utility of Bitcoin. They buy on a big central...
Not perfect though. They have to follow Swiss laws whereas Bisq and RoboSats use Tor and don't comply with government quotas... Plus for buying, premiums are steep on Peach
Thanks 🙏
Hurry, someone tell the black market, we got some deep research here that everyone else at high stakes missed!
We need to be QUICK and tell Dread and DNM users to use LN!!!
So where are people buying monero, if P2P bitcoin orderbooks are already so dry XMR can't be too liquid either? I did a check and majority of XMR volume comes form CEX, primary KuCoin
And if it were banned from all CEXs where's the demand and liquidity going to come from?
I'm not referring to its trackability. I'm referring to its taintability.
TheBitcoinManual
What's next? They're going to ban payjoin and silent payments?
We can do this all day
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Okay
It's more like 2 guys taking a dump in a public bathroom. One is with the door opened, and the other, with the closed door, saying "maybe you need Monero"
just like people who tell you to use a VPN or Tor right?
also, in the end
STN copped to someone showing him a monero tx.
so just stop.
you can call LN a "privacy layer" when bolt12 txs are the default.
not before.
oh and what happened to "ring signatures cause supply inflation" homie 🥺
At this level i consider 100% of bitcoiners and lners gov agents feds.
From where it belongs, in P2P DEX's.
I don't remember the last time i bought something in a CEX..
Only dumb people use CEX's
Good luck enforcing this, bitches. 🇫🇷🐓😂
Well if the goal is to be a fringe network then sure, no problem there!
But are you an idiot or just pretending?
What was Bitcoin made for?
Wasn't it to be a fringe network and not need third parties to transact?
Wasn't it to have a circular economy that empowers users and not the system?
It's because there are idiots who think that Bitcoin has become a tool of the system.
Why are you so emotional?
NOT relying on centralized gatekeepers to provide access to freedom tech is a feature, not a bug
Why guys like you hijacked bitcoin mission?
P2P via Bisq (80% of trading volume is XMR) or Haveno/RetoSwap a Monero based P2P market.
KuCoin the last remaining CEX, that has not fully delisted so far.
Atomic swaps for BTC
Or one of hundred instant exchanges like Changenow
Bitcoin is filled to the brim with infuencoooors pushing custodial, non-private, and KYC wallets for Lightning
You literally suggest Strike, Wallet of Satoshi, and Blink on your website for vulnerable beginners
"Beginner custodial ln wallets"
"For small amounts this is totally OK though."
You're not fooling anyone here bro except vulnerable noobs
