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"there is no time for careful deployment" is straight cringe
Nonsense.
I proposed the change. And I am not Luke.
Liar
And antithetical to Bitcoin
Let them fork off, I want the air drop
this is what we call living long enough to see yourself become the villain
Or maybe English is not everyone's first language. You know you can actually start a sentence without switching that gaslighter of yours On. 🤣
Sad to see TheRage glowing so hard these days... No more of my sats heading that way anymore.
What is a "prodigee"?
A prodigee is when i misspell protege
Lame Luke, pretty lame.
Really sorry to hear
Not a Knots apologist, though I’ll sound like one with this question. I genuinely don’t understand how the 100kb data storage on-chain is not a legitimate worry.
Like, given enough time someone will push CSAM on-chain. If for no other reason than to see the world burn, or because they’ve opened a huge short on Hyperliquid.
And that would likely lead to a “floor discovery phase”.
What am I not getting?
No one is really arguing that the 100kb is a good idea. But CSAM can already be put on chain regardless. This fork would give someone (Luke) the power to roll back bitcoin.
The entire CSAM argument is retarded.
No worries, and it's a good question.
First, at least according to The Guardian iirc, there's already CSAM on chain, and forking it at a blockheight in the future won't remove that. So if the argument is that anyone storing this data on their computer will be liable in a court of law, then that ship has already sailed or the chain needs to be rolled back to ~2017.
Second, embedding CSAM on-chain was already possible before the op-return increase, which was reasoned to be included to disincentivize other forms of data storage that are more harmful to the network, such as by bloating the UTXO set.
Third and most importantly, this proposed legal theory simply does not hold up in the face of anyone familiar with the law. Bitcoin nodes (and bitoin miners) are at least by US regulators largely understood to be facilitating communication, and communication providers are not liable for the content they relay or host.
Interestingly, holding communications providers liable for the content they host was a large part of the original cryptowars. If that theory had pertained, the internet would simply not exist as nobody would be willing to build services with such a risk attached, as Google, Facebook, Microsoft, Amazon, etc would routinely lose Billions to hosting CSAM.
Hope that helps.
"Anyone who writes that ***”there is no time for careful deployment”*** when wanting to push an upgrade to software that secures a Trillion Dollar asset cannot honestly be taken seriously. "
Indeed 444 is an attack on the network.
I just can't yet comprehend how anyone can read both sides of this story and draw the conclusion that v30 is better for bitcoin than Knots 🤷🏻♂️ it smells of fake news, disinformation and ulterior motives. If I hear a legitimate argument to change my mind I will consider it because I'm not delusional in thinking I'm always right. But I haven't heard an argument yet which didn't turn out to be straight up disinformation or diversion.
There is a difference using workarounds or loopholes to force arbitrary data into the blockchain or to make it possible per default as core v30 is doing. This isn’t the right signal. Run Knots or do not update to v30 is what I would suggest.
Liar
- forcing controversial content into v30
- censoring debates
- changing documentation to obfuscate bugs
If you be honest let’s say core has its issues too.
My node can delete op_return data that I don't care about. That's the cool thing.
Shitcoin antics
Yet more bullshit from The Rag
You believe this drivel?
Bankrolled by the Ethereum Foundation, I believe
Actually exclusively quoting the BIP amigo
Do lmk if you find any inaccuracies, theres an email for corrections in the article 😘
Ethereum is a scam
Like the last time, when she told you about Luke's plans to cause a fork, that suppose to be bullshit then? Get a grip
What gets me is there is some known issue with time coding or something like that which will apparently require a fork, but it’s so far down the track it isn’t being addressed.. Why can’t we get all the heads together and sort out a resolution to known upcoming issues, whilst eradicating CSAM, possible quantum proofing, and get it all done now?.. It will be near impossible to make agreed changes as adoption grows. Today’s Bitcoiners need to get it nailed down now, as MONEY, so we can focus on maintenance and layer 2s
It's curious how they attack the only solution to a problem coretard create.
What problem exactly? I keep hearing this brought up by people who are very new to the ecosystem.
Please explain what the "problem" is?
Because it cannot be the default datacarriersize increase. I can't believe that.
If you're been around in the bitcoin space for even just a few years you will know that there are other ways to store ANY arbitrary data on chain, regardless of the default size of your OP_RETURN.
You are being played by a conman
No one cares about your virtue signal.
I am. If you want to put that stuff on chain, at least put it in an unspendable output, so you don't poison the UTXO set
English is my first language though!!! Keep up Z 😜
I can read. Can you or are you retarded. Go read the proposal.
> What gets me is there is some known issue with time coding or something like that which will apparently require a fork, but it’s so far down the track it isn’t being addressed.. Why can’t we get all the heads together and sort out a resolution to known upcoming issues, whilst eradicating CSAM, possible quantum proofing, and get it all done now?..
that's not how development works. you can't turn on a switch and solve all your problems. especially not in a decentralized network
> It will be near impossible to make agreed changes as adoption grows. Today’s Bitcoiners need to get it nailed down now, as MONEY, so we can focus on maintenance and layer 2s
making changes has always been hard, since 2010. learn your history
Because people who aren’t retarded understand that you can’t stop spam all you can do is hope that it gets put in the prunable part of the chain.
Using this csam scare tactic to force shot through at a massively accelerated timeline is a red flag and if you don’t see it as a red flag you aren’t a bitcoiner you are a scared child who doesn’t belong in this world.
Cheers mate. You added nothing there really. Another throw your hands up in the air guy
>making changes has always been hard, since 2010. learn your history
I said near impossible. I’m aware it’s already hard enough. That’s my point
Both stories are bullshit simp
You are the Greta of the bitcoin community, so much rage!
I assume, given your ignorance on the matter, that you don't run a node. I will go further, I guess your bitcoin stash is 0.
Organized religions are a major threat to bitcoin.
There's a perfect storm coming, with interests of failing nation states aligning with big religion. The existence of both depends on the individuals domination.
consuming agency, infantilizing the population into submission.
Both want two control the flow of information, it's no coincidence the growth in online censorship is being pushed at the same time religion is gaining popularity.
We are being encircled. Bitcoin is the ultimate defense for freedom of speech, because of this it is the ultimate target.
There maybe very few agents of these collectivist forces that understand, but the emergent behavior of the State/Religion, is taking this deadly serious.
Religions will often fight from their righteous, moral high ground. A position most are unaccustomed and uneasy to dealing with.
The cage is being built and most "bitcorners" are helping!
Ok then, fine (mempool will not display a lot of those in a way you can parse, if you're interested you can verify using your own node).
This is an entire block almost completely dedicated to images. Using P2FK. No op return was needed.
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This is a 2013 transaction. datacarriersize did not prevent it.
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This is from 2017, using yet another method
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Ok but surely there isn't one from earlier, right? Damn is that an entire program written on chain?
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Warren buffet needs to be immortalized on chain of course
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This is a tx from june, no op_return. Costed 134 sats (less than op_return would have today by the way)
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This is a tx from april of this year, note, only a small op_return (which could have been avoided).
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Oh and regarding legality... This is illegal in the US (no, it's not CSAM), but the change for that was used to publish the wikileaks data
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Ok but surely there's no way people have been putting stuff on chain before then right? (nobody knows what this data is, it's probably some encrypted discussion people were having back in 2011)
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(and all other txs involving 18qr2srETSvQq4kP7yBYRqQ4LzmjhtRmcD, 1MaZAHzEFfinRJ2dwK6YtNDfvWMBkiAxDr, 1AgwESN7RKNZtaqzbqu6kPg3RS6C2qCgHi, 1AZUPm5PC5QguquNsBg7HhWUYz5dfm2nU9, and 1J1aR7ayNp9sma8QVyyWGF87PzDU1vp5BD)
Let's have a tribute to len sassaman
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Naturally you can use coinbase descriptors too, so let's put prayers on chain!
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Maybe we should look at the first jpeg, since apparently that's new, right?
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Ok but surely you can't have an mp3 of spok telling you to live long and prosper, right?
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And of course, how could we forget, the first non-monetary transaction?
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Someone needs to have ✨ Sacred Rage ✨
At least thus far,
@L0la L33tz is going in the right direction.
Common-unity on the *wrong* front is just that - wrong.
Bad bot.
The opposition is always part of a conspiracy theory or in this case virtue signaling. This view the commitment to debate is what it needs to bring society a step forward.
Thanks for the great write up. Also reading some of the repies in this thread makes me very glad I've been ignoring all this :)
The third point is written as if fact but it’s not. Applying certainty in the face of uncertainty isn’t wise. The country is littered with case law where lawyers would’ve been certain that constitutional law would side with them. Forging an unnecessary risk that adds no value and nobody wants or needs is not smart risk management. I do realize that this last line could be applied to both sides of the argument. The rational thing is for core to roll back the op_return limit to something that users actually care about. Real users. Not devs tinkertoying around with crap nobody cares about and is unlikely to ever gain any adoption
Liar, blocked
you cannot stop spam pubkeys…and those show up in the utxo and cannot be pruned you are incentivizing centralization as ram requirements push minimal hardware setups off the network. The purpose of the op_return is to prevent utxo bloat.
I would rather upgrade my hard drive to handle some stupid monkey jpeg(or run a pruned node) than upgrade my whole machine because you wanted purity. You would rather virtue signal.
Do you see it now? The ram requirements are already making node hardware options more expensive.
I looked that up. From my understanding Bitcoin Core sets the Ram used for the UTXO set to 512MB as a default. The rest is stored on the for example SSD and fetched when needed. If this is the case you argument does not hold up.
Like inscriptions? They are filtered out in Bitcoin Knots.
Why do you think they are scare of policy filters?
Policy filters kept OP_RETURN clean. It allowed data only less than 83 Bytes. Visible?
The compromised Core devs did not fix inscriptions spam intentionally.
you're a bad actor.
if you really believe this BS, you should check it out with a doctor.
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When discussing the Bitcoin blockchain and its implementation, the terms legal, government or compliance are to be ignored completely, in my opinion. It was created to operate outside government control. Seems an attack to me.
I haven't followed this issue deeply enough to comment on most of this, but the last point in this note is evergreen. Catastrophizing is a red flag. Not necessarily because one is wrong, but because the approach is itself a grave danger. Often, the knee jerk response has more potential dangers than the problem one is attempting to solve.
View quoted note →Your a pleb retard
Cant wait to dump the shitcoin fork for free bitcoin
Your a retard actor
Agreed
I have a hypothesis about this whole debate 👇
LiberLion
Is it possible to create Strategic Bitcoin Reserves (“SBR”), and what is needed for that?
It already exists, but with limitations.
My hypothesis about on-chain KYC in Bitcoin is based on this.
Read...
Strategic Bitcoin Reserves refer to when a state, sovereign wealth fund, or other public institution decides to hold that asset as part of its investment strategy.
The U.S. established the Strategic Bitcoin Reserve via President Donald Trump’s executive order, centralizing all government-held bitcoin obtained through civil and criminal forfeiture. The Department of Treasury will consolidate all forfeited BTC from federal government agencies into the centralized SBR.
Following this directive, Senator Cynthia Lummis has introduced the Bitcoin Act 2025, which proposes that the U.S. Treasury acquire one million bitcoins over five years, holding them in cold storage for twenty years, like gold. It recognizes Bitcoin as an economic hedge and a symbol of official acceptance of digital assets.
For an asset to be included in the Treasury Reserve, it must meet certain transparency and regulatory requirements.
Do you understand the need I'm proposing?
Read it here 👇
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I appreciate the effort put into your response ✊🏻
Arbitrary is different to illegal. I see you recognise that. How the data is viewable on chain is important, right? Is it easily extracted/viewed? Or does it require special tools to decrypt/compile?
Just because something has been done in the past doesn’t mean we have to accept it moving forward. I’m no coding nerd, but sentiment out there is that there are changes possible that can, as a minimum, restrict CP. Can’t imagine there are any arguments against that being persued.
And whilst you’re there, discuss winding back those other changes that the community has since determined detrimental to the MONEY use case.
Core V30 is the hard fork .
🤣 are you going to talk to the manager while you’re at it?
>Arbitrary is different to illegal. I see you recognise that. How the data is viewable on chain is important, right? Is it easily extracted/viewed? Or does it require special tools to decrypt/compile?
why is that relevant? let's take the CP argument. do you really think that an argument would make sense in law where someone says "no your honor, you see, the data is actually rot13'd, there's no raw CP"... like come on haha
> Just because something has been done in the past doesn’t mean we have to accept it moving forward.
it actually kind of does. actually removing the ways to achieve this would make bitcoin literally unusable. Even if bitcoin got limited to only a simple database where you can send and receive money to addresses, you could still encode that data in the address.
This may look like an npub, but it's actually a rickroll: npub1dejhvetjypnk7mnwvysxw6tkv5s8jmm4yp6hqtpqdejhvetjypns3hyxs3, filter this please.
> sentiment out there is that there are changes possible that can, as a minimum, restrict CP. Can’t imagine there are any arguments against that being persued.
of course, nobody wants CP, not knots and not core. But how do you restrict it without also limiting REAL spending transactions?
> And whilst you’re there, discuss winding back those other changes that the community has since determined detrimental to the MONEY use case.
datacarriersize doesn't impact money use cases, in any way. if anything it HELPS WITH MONEY, because your node can go by with less data actually stored in its UTXO set. putting data into OP_RETURN instead of UTXOs literally makes YOUR NODE FASTER.
damn I missed an opportunity! pretend the npub was npub1yqsxsar5wpen5te009hh2ar49e3x2tmy29mngaee2an4sc63yqsqmgmsk0 much funnier!
Seems you have the knowledge and skillset to contribute to a solution. Instead, just hearing you accept an unsatisfactory situation.
Your
**You're**
Easy for you to say.
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The U.S. is the only UN member state that has not yet ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
As of July 2025, child marriage is legal in 34 states.
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The U.S. is the only UN member state that has not yet ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child.
As of July 2025, child marriage is legal in 34 states.
you commenting under a post about a fucking fork, are you a full retard? 😄
She’s not going to sleep with you bro
Keep ✍️ the good fight ⚔️
Etherium is a scam
