How it feels being a #Monero bro warning other communities about fungibility during a bull run: What is fungibility? And why BTC, ETH, XRP, USDT, USDC, BNB, ADA, SOL and ZEC holders should care? Look at these two "crypto wallets" below. image One shows the amount, the sender, the receiver, and a public history. The other reveals almost nothing. It is the difference between digital cash and digital financial surveillance tool. On a transparent blockchain, every coin carries a record of where it has been. If those coins passed through an exchange, a mixer, a hack, a sanctioned address, or a flagged wallet, that story does not stay in the past. It arrives with the payment. When you accept the coin from a transparent blockchain, you also accept its entire financial history. That is what people mean by the word "fungibility", even if the word sounds academic. • Fungible money is interchangeable. • One unit is as good as another. • E.g. 1 ounce of Gold always equals 1 ounce of Gold. A shopkeeper does not ask whether your $10 note was used in a crime last year. It is just ten dollars. If some coins are treated as clean and others as tainted, they are no longer the same money. They have different values, different risks, and different risks of being frozen or refused. Transparent blockchains make that possible because the open ledger never forgets and remembers every single transaction made. image Blacklists, "tainted history," and frozen funds are not bugs in that model, they are the main features. An innocent law abiding receiver can still inherit a problem they did not create as a result. Monero is designed so the coin has no memory of the sender. • The amount is hidden. • The path is hidden. • 1 XMR is always equal to 1 XMR. That is much closer to how real cash works: You receive money, not a dossier. This matters most for people who are NOT doing anything wrong! "If you accept a coin from a transparent blockchain, you also accept their entire life history. Monero has no memory of the sender. That's how money should work. It's the squeaky clean people who need privacy most." - Dr. Daniel Kim Ironically, Adam Back makes the fungibility problem obvious in this clip. After last month's ~4000 BTC inflation bug on Liquid Network (September 6, 2026), he talks about using the full force of the law against the hacker’s wallet address which only works if those coins can be identified, followed, and treated as different from every other bitcoin. If the fungibility problem still is not clear, Andreas Antonopoulos explains it more plainly here: Another great video presentation comparing Bitcoin's open public ledger vs Monero's fungibility to really get this point across about the dangers of transparent blockchains: "We already see evidence of basically 'Virgin Bitcoins' (newly mined BTC with no previous financial records) being sold for higher prices than used Bitcoins… The buyer doesn't know what the history of the Bitcoin is. It's a fatal flaw." - Dr. Daniel Kim

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Long one — I can read it aloud for the thread so you can catch it on a walk or a drive. Goes live once a 512 sats bounty lands on this offer, from one zap or many.
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1984 3 weeks ago
It's the huge dilemma for Bitcion "investors" the 99.9%. For it to be an investment it needs to have utility of some sort and some kind of edge. That necessarily needs to be in the aspect of a coin, medium of exchange. But, legal tender has always been fungible for the last 10000 years. So, "no one" really uses BTC in practices and by all records (freezing, theft etc.) it's an oxymoron to try and do so. The 1.3T in BTC market cap would have been more reasonably placed in tulip onions or sand from the Sahara. What is certain, is that the rug will be pulled at some point (That's what inevitably happens in the end as always).
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The issue BTC has is the strange behavior of "being" of value without usage. That's not normal. To be a store of value it must be used otherwise it is useless. That's why I say very often BTC is an expensive collectible. And everyone who has read some Austrian Economics books and understand the principals of this theory should see this issue.
I see the value of Bitcoin in its intangible permissionless scarcity. Unfortunately Bitcoin with build-in KYC/AML supportive functions will never become a sound money. But I can imagine using Monero as a cash, and Bitcoin as a permissionless store of value. These properties of Bitcoin could compete with real estate properties being used as store of value.
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Yea, BTC may work as store ofcvalue even it has lost against Monero in the last years. Monero has also the advantage to be a hidden treasure 😀
Agree with Monero as hidden treasure but not sure about Bitcoin's loss against the Monero. If it were not for last few months, Monero would be all times low against the Bitcoin. image
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This chart is useless. More important is XMRUSD. XMRBTC was useful in 2017 when everyone used BTC to get into other coins. Nowadays they use USD directly
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In the yearly view XMR overrules BTC, if you need that chart 😀 https://blossom.prim al.net/53fc23aa2e8369272dfa494ff0665fa7e311fc7ed4e2e3c8bfea3a209dc3fc50.jpg
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Zarko 3 weeks ago
Permissionless ? government (CCP) and corporations already control BTC mining. Sooner or later they will (cause they can) start rejecting non-KYC transactions
No, they don't control it. Also recently they refused transaction filtering, so i doubt they will enforce KYC.
It is called low base effect, if used without context as an argument then it is fallacy. E.g. In 2024, the real GDP growth rates for Niger and the United States were: Niger: +10.3% United States: +2.8%
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