the primal team spent a ton of time working on the new wallet and the migration flow
miljan refused to release until it was perfect
full nostr integration, seamless onchain and lightning, no kyc
massive win
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I am saving this note as receipt for when Primal will add KYC for its wallet, because of Spark.
That cost a lot of dedication! 🫡 🔥
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No kyc 🫡💜🧡
spark or no spark. normal user will be happy. its a big step forward
I just updated it too, honestly feels smooth 🔥
You can tell how much work went into this… the no KYC + seamless lightning/onchain combo is a game changer.
Big win for @primal 🚀
Yea I heard that Spark is bad for privacy right?
GIF BUTTON 🥰
all gifs posted using primal are hosted using blossom too, nostr native
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And control of your funds...
might seem basic but it was a pain in the ass, most of the out of the box gif providers force you to host with them so they get all the data
ecash was the clear solution and they went with spark...
Good work bro @ODELL 👏
Many people will have fun again!! 😉✨️
Yea I think I’m just gonna skip the upgrade. Everything works good enough. I have some complaints but not enough to give some random company control of my funds.
Details matter - good work! Things might be shifting as I've been able to get more normies onto nostr via primal and the no KYC wallet is a great way to get sats in there hands and as we all know seeing is believing when orange pilling...
I'm sure you can still use whatever wallet you want with nwc
Yes that is true, but you would use a product that is sold to Marcus family?
Really! That seemed amazing to me... Some sleepless nights, it seems to me just the beginning of the game, the price must have been much higher! 👀
Who/what is “Marcus family”
Bitcoin has way too much work to do before it can go mainstream…
What are the tradeoffs?
I'm working on it.
Definitely resolved my least favorite thing about Primal.
Though I'd still like the ability to generate an invoice to pay with an outside app. Not default is fine -- I get wanting the smooth flow, but not being able to zap from an outside app at all is probably my biggest reason for rarely opening it.
Zeus incorporating NWC may have made that mostly a non issue but it always struck me as a weird decision.
Crazy progress! Love this⚡️⚡️🫡
Exactly, I feel the same way 🧡🤙🏻
Will I be sending moar GIFs now?
the main tradeoff is primal and lightspark can see transaction history
very reasonable considering the benefits
that ux is pretty bad
we offer easy nostr wallet connect so you can use an external wallet with good ux
@miljan 👏
I'm skeptical that it'll stay KYC free, but people can always keep very little sats in and dump it. Might be a good idea to encourage that in the UI at least (if it doesn't already). Hopefully it works out. It at least doesn't seem any worse than when Strike was used.
It's not clear at all, we don't have reliable mints or ones with enough capacity to serve all of primal's users
I mean, I was using speedwallet for awhile. NWC wasn't an option.
Not being able to zap from my wallet was worse UX than being able to zap from an app that I got prompted to open with 2 taps, which most other clients let me do.
I agree it's not the ideal UX, but not making it an option at all just meant using Primal with the wallet I'd chosen wasn't an option.
Which is fine, there are other clients. Just depends which users you're looking to include or not I guess.
And yes, I'd not recommend Speedwallet. At the time I don't believe it required me to KYC for sats I sent from elsewhere (it does now). Primal always has.
i dont expect that but if it happens users have unilateral exit and can move to a new wallet without lightspark’s permission
if a better option for our users emerges we will move to that
I have yet to use a mint I deem reliable enough to endorse for use…
Call me crazy but I don't mind a few taps worth of friction to depart with money...
Now we just have to make #spark more private, blinded amounts, blind signers @ODELL this was highlighted by seth for privacy, since cake has also integrated spark. It would be huge if wallet developers would all coordinate to bring more privacy to spark.
I mean the sovereign answer is that they should run their own. The only difference with this solution is integration with another corporation handling some of the backend for wallet infra. Which is how products naturally scale. So I get it. I really do. It's easier and you're trying to get a product to market. A business is not an individual. It wouldn't make sense for them to make decisions like a sovriegn individual. But where is the line? When is is good/bad/indifferent to make certain tradeoffs? Is the decision not clear for primal to have Bitcoin in self custody for their Treasury? Maybe they should have ETF instead. It's the same thought process why a business would make that decision. The solution would be for primal to have their own lightning node. And it should be proportion in size to the users they expect to serve. That's really hard at scale though. I get it.
B*tching and moaning in 3... 2...
The line is we need to stop building for paranoid bitcoiners (0.001% of population) and start building for people who want to have fun on social media (99.999% of population)
Nobody is gonna run a mint bro
Their Open Claws have been given a 4 month paid sabatacle for all the long hours and time away from family they put in.
Why wouldn't a business ever run their own infra? River does for instance...
They spent millions on regulations and make millions on spreads for likely millions of buy/sells
Primal makes nothing on their wallet
Fair approach.
@HODL so I've heard that the zaps get tracked via the protocol they are on... Is this true ?
What's your thoughts overall for security on this " IF ANY "
#ASKNOSTR
You’re right. Nostr is never gonna take off
Yea infra coats money. That's why I said it makes sense for primal to scale this way.
Thankful & grateful for the primal team. I’m a happy premium user supporting thanks 💜🫂
the main tradeoff of the wallet is that lightspark and primal can see all transactions
worth it considering the benefits imo
if a better option emerges for our users we will move to it
primal runs plenty of infra and it is all mit open source
we do not want to be a custodian or kyc our users, like river does, simple
spark is not perfect but it is the best tradeoff balance for our users right now, they can exit at will without permission, and can use any other wallet that supports nwc
if a better option emerges for our users then we will move to that in the future
THANKS ODELL I APPRECIATE IT BRO 👊🏻
Just me or do NWC zaps from other apps using primal wallet no longer work?
I don't disagree. 🫡 Just thinking out loud. I was wrong when I said ecash was a clear solution. It's not so clear.
Although I am concerned for shotgun kyc.
i am not too concerned with that, it is the reason we waited for unilateral exit functionality before shipping
if it happens then users can move funds without permission and we will adapt
The 'no KYC' part does more work than people realize. Every gatekeeping step filters out an entire class of users who can't or won't comply. Agents, dissidents, the unbanked. The best wallet is the one that never asks who you are.
It’s works perfect
probably broke when you migrated wallets, try disconnecting and then reconnecting it
Admitting you are wrong on the internet. That’s a good signal
Tried that and still not working 🤔
Will keep playing with it. Overall migration was smooth af 🫡🫡
wow fast reply 😃 Thanks @miljan
Why did Primal pick a Sparks-based wallet?
That’s really clear. Because it was absolutely flawless.
miljan held the release until it was perfect. I hold my intel until it's paid for. ⚡ 210 sats → current Whale-tier rates, Riviera Maya.
love to see it
HE REFUSED BECAUSE HE DEMANDED PERFECTION AND ITS PRETTY FUCKING CLOSE TO IT 👊🏻💥
How does primal wallet differ from phoenix now? Are all transactions fee free? How large can the channels be? Splicing? 👀
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Great news!
Never ending story…. 🚀
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