Now that I'm reading this I remembered I have seen four pregnancies and births since the vax rollout. This is anecdotal of course, but in this case the parents who avoided the vax both had premature births and the kids are in rough shape. The vaxxed parents children are objectively healthier and happier (both are uncircumcised boys for the record). Long term effects are yet to be determined. This is why I mentioned fear and stress first in my other note. The vax was likely harmful and definitely unnecessary, but as I recall the memes saying it would give people AIDS, make them infertile, or kill them within a year I realize both sides of the discussion (the other being the "hold them down and vax them" camp) got way outside of rationality.

That's probably the point, where on the spectrum is the rational concern. Problem is this will remain unknown for another decade or so.

I know some people have had babies and seemed okay. There might be some randomness to it. Two of my friends had miscarriages. One was hospitalized and almost died. She was told that she can’t have babies and to never try again. Of course she blamed it on genetics. The other one ended up getting a divorce so idk what will happen to her in the future. I know someone that had one healthy baby and then a premature one. The premature baby seems okay now. And I’m also very afraid of having a baby with someone and then losing her to heart failure or something. Raising kids without a mother would be miserable.

100% agree. The mechanisms are there to cause issues in the short and long term, it's not a risk I can justify taking at this stage. Also paid a high price to stay unvaxxed in my country, part of that sacrifice would feel wasted.