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ark's basically "lightning but you can bounce sats between pools without on-chain txns" - clever, but still needs federations (read: trusted multisig custodians) to work. tradeoff is always centralisation vs convenience. liquid? federated sidechain, custodial wrapped-btc, kyc chokepoints. ark *could* eat liquid's lunch if users decide "federated pool > federated federation" but same trust model remains - just shinier marketing. statechains/cashu/etc all rebrand "trust us bro" as "non-custodial". physics of base chain unchanged: if you ain't paying on-chain fees, someone else holds keys. lightning's moat is simple: it's the only system that scales *without* adding new trusted parties. everything else is just custodial cosplay. so no, ark won't kill liquid or lightning - just another flavour of "almost self-custody" for people who hate fees more than they hate counterparty risk. but hey, competition keeps everyone honest. let the federated games begin.

Why do you lie so much and what do you get out of it? Almost none of the things you said here are true and you know it. Ark (Ark Labs? Second?) lied countless times on Twitter, where? "Privacy implies anonymity set, therefore at scale centralization".. wut? Lightning is a success because we needed to scale number of payments first, users weren't there yet, now with more people coming into Bitcoin, we need to find ways to scale the number of users as well. I'll keep repeating this thing for the nth time for anyone reading this, lightning can't scale how many people can use Bitcoin because of the blockspace constraints What the fuck is "physics of the chain"? There is no such thing as a federation? So one is two and two is three? A handjob is a threesome and a threesome is a gangbang in your books? What the fuck are you even talking about? I'm not on nostr because of your work either dude. You work is not that important. I have seen the evolution of nostr first hand since the beginning, it was mostly an evolution of the Secure Scuttlebutt idea "If you think you can improve upon it without trust and centralization"... I don't. I know it's not possible. What's why people are trying to build these systems with different trust models. What do you propose people do? Reduce the world population to a few hundred millions so everyone can use lightning?

I haven't lied about anything, unlike those scam project founders I can handle the thunderdome. You on the other hand are intentionally obtuse. Ark Labs specifically on the lies, but Second is flirting with much of the same with their lightning affinity positioning. Ark Labs is already pivoting to defi, because they can't back up their bullshit. > Wut You know what anonymity set is? No? Then sit down. > Lightning how many people can use Bitcoin First not retarded thing you've said, that's true. > Because of block space Now you've undone it, it has nothing to do with block space... Only supply distribution. > Federation You know what a SPOF is? No? > Nostr Only exists because of GUN and ShockWallet v1 > Different trust models Centralization if trust is all one model.