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I assumed from your involvement in the creation of nostr (and your past hilariously absurd comments about Monero) that you had more involvement in maxi things like

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Adding support for main bolt12 commands to NIP-47 by 21M4TW · Pull Request #1952 · nostr-protocol/nips

This is a request to add support for Bolt12 to NWC, such that a Lightning client can use NWC to generate and use Bolt12 offers, fetch and pay Bolt1...

NIP 47 is a blatant Bitcoin maxi catered feature, clearly sucking up developer time and effort. Time and effort that could instead be spent on ways to make nostr a better place for general content literally the entire rest of the world would be interested in. For example ideas like this that went nowhere:

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algorithms on nostr that have a chance of working · Issue #522 · nostr-protocol/nips

Nostr already has an "algo" all relays use to order events. The algo is "sort by created_at in descending order." What I want is a way to ask relay...

I'm using Amethyst and it's so easy to find all these niche Bitcoin features all over the app that are integrated into the nostr ecosystem. But it's difficult to find interesting content outside of the Bitcoin maxipad bubble. That is a result of conscious collective decision making to cater nostr features to Bitcoin maxis.

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Naruto 1 month ago

Ok how about: when a user goes to the "Wallet" page in the menu, and taps the "+", how about supporting adding a Monero address that way? It could reuse the Payment tag people use today. But this way it's actually intuitive how to add a Monero address in the app and it's not tucked away in an extremely unclear place. I apologize for being rude to you above. I think you're friendly.

Vitor Pamplona _@vitorpamplona.com 1 month ago

Which protocol should we use to manage the wallet? None of our wallets are ours, we are just calling other apps or services. The UI is the easy part. Do Montero wallets have something like Nostr Wallet Connect?

Naruto 1 month ago

I don't see why you need all wallets in that page to implement that protocol. For Monero, adding the wallet to the app could be as simple as just displaying the address and linking the URI in user's profiles. Besides, Nostr Wallet Connect is kind of exactly what I'm talking about is the issue with Nostr development. Just from a glance, it's obviously designed with Lightning and only Lightning in mind. That's a Bitcoin maxi way of thinking that's contributing to a Bitcoin maxi hivemind around here. A more general protocol that could function for other cryptos (not just XMR, but gasp including USDC and USDT) would help foster more diverse content in the nostr ecosystem.

Vitor Pamplona _@vitorpamplona.com 1 month ago

Sure, but we need protocols for each one of them. We used to have just simple addresses for Bitcoin as well and nobody ever used them because it is too disconnected of an experience. Zaps and NWC were the things that made Bitcoin explode on nostr. Just addresses would have never reached the level that it reached with btc. We actually tried. You can't have an explosion in usage without any investment in the protocol to make things exciting for users. It won't just magically be used if all you do is to just list the address in the profile page.

Naruto 1 month ago

OK, I hear you. Monero and other cryptos could use a well thought out protocol that integrates well with nostr the way zaps and NWC do. There haven't been people around to do that. Most people involved with nostr development know more about Bitcoin. I wonder if that has anything to do with the active hostility toward "shitcoins" by maxis like fiatjaf on NIPs PR's bringing in features for other cryptos. But I digress. I think better support for displaying the URI in a profile would be nice until contributors arrive. Maybe if there is legit openness to contributions like "how to do zaps or NWC with Monero", I will consider contributing.

Naruto 1 month ago

Backing up to this: re-opening the app after 3 years I'm not sure how best to find interesting content. I imagine there are probably good algos out there featuring good nostr content. Is it still a general policy to avoid algos? I think I remember that being a thing. But I also think amethyst could help out in some capacity pointing me toward content I'd be interested in beyond just laboriously finding people to follow.