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wut?

That’s a 12 step program to buy none kyc

Even if it's 30 steps, I don't care. The main thing is that any ban imposed by the state can be circumvented.

You could just use bisq

Or cash on retoswap

If I had used Bisq, I would have had to pay a % extra. But instead, I bought at market price. What's more, since the Bisq community treated Monero the way it did (in 2019), I haven't used Bisq since. I have plenty of other tools to buy/sell XMR (or any other crypto).

What happened in 2019? I didn’t know bisq had been around for that long…

1) https://bisq.network/dashboard/cycle-6/ 2) https://bisq.network/dao-proposals/110

Nice to have some options, but I really prefer just going on RetoSwap and using my cash/fiat to buy XMR directly there.

I saved % because I bought XMR at market price. In theory, you can also do this on RetoSwap, but you have to wait a long time for someone to take your order for cash at 0%.

But it got integrated in the end?

No. Instead, the Monero community forked Bisq, removed the BSQ token, and we ended up with: 1) https://haveno.exchange/ 2) https://retoswap.com/ 😌

Yeah I know about these… I’m not sure I understand why bisq hasn’t integrated xmr but yet it’s paired for trade?

Monero is available on Bisq as one of the payment options, alongside Wise, Revolut, and other banks and payment methods. However, it is _not_ natively integrated as it is in Haveno/Retoswap. Although most of the liquidity on Bisq over the years has been on the XMR/BTC pair, their "DAO" did not vote for the integration of Monero... Probably they didn't want to create competition for Bitcoin, because people would start trading, for example, XMR/Revolut or XMR/Wise instead of pairing it with BTC. Anyway, whatever. I haven't used Bisq since 2019. It's no longer needed in my toolkit.

Thank you I appreciate the thorough response

They believe a less private, less liquid DEX means they are winning somehow?? Because maximalism... They also made Monero the lowest priority for Bisq 2 despite Monero doing 80% of all trade volume for basically forever. RetoSwap has achieved higher volume than Bisq after only 1 year vs 10 years of existence. Use Reto.

what are your thoughts about this accident ? https://xcancel.com/zachxbt/status/1979899767212699910#m >By Oct 15 the funds were completely laundered away to OTCs adjacent to Huione (illicit online marketplace in SEA). this poses a high risk on anyone that wants to use OTC method, yes. all though i would say half of the fault lies in the victim's clueless behavior, once the funds get drained he will ask the LE to help him recover the funds which most likely will result in adding the Tron address to all AML programs we all know. defeating the purprose of using this technology in the Agora spirit because of a few bad apples that are scum and lowlife stealing this man's and his wife life savings. lo and behold the poor Agorist will fall a second vicitm to the those lowlife scum inhuman thieves

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Another guy had his money stolen. This happens every day, but not all cases get as much attention as this one. >>> this poses a high risk on anyone that wants to use OTC How? >>> he will ask the LE to help him recover the funds which most likely will result in adding the Tron address to all AML programs we all know It doesn't matter. If the entire chain of people acted quickly and converted USDT into something that cannot be blocked at the smart contract level, these guys won. >>> defeating the purprose of using this technology in the Agora spirit because of a few bad apples that are scum and lowlife stealing this man's and his wife life savings. Why? How? Can the same be said about the inventor of the axe? If not = why not? Do you understand how absurd this can be? In other words, because someone was drunk driving today and killed a person, we need to ban all cars in the world. >>> lo and behold the poor Agorist will fall a second vicitm to the those lowlife scum inhuman thieves Improve your technical skills + profiling skills so that you are not scammed. Before attempting to protect and save the entire world, first take care of yourself and your family so that you and they are not deceived. You will not be able to protect and save the world anyway. Don't deceive the free (as in freedom) market and people. Befriend them and create agorist p2p connections to deceive and circumvent the state together.

>>> this poses a high risk on anyone that wants to use OTC >>>How? LE will tag these coins if not forzen by Tether and they will keep monitoring it, Chainanalyst exist for this reason mostly. then you as a peaceful Agorist could get these coins and get in trouble because LE sadly are much powerful than you as an individual, yes if you convert it fast to something untracable like XMR you won, but remember that these stolen coins gets circulated in that smart contract on-chain. leading to more innocent people falling a vicitm to be labeled a "criminal" that's what LE are good at accusing innocent people and suspecting them all the time., Unfortunately, we don’t live in an ideal world, it is full of villains and scums, I am not endorsing LE involvment in everything. but this case just gives you an alarm to be careful in dealing with OTC transfers without proper OPSEC and careful review of the other party you are trading with. I know I may sound an anti-agorist by all this, I am not and still learning about the Agora from wonderful people like you and others in the space.. moving on to answer your other good points.. >>>>>> defeating the purprose of using this technology in the Agora spirit because of a few bad apples that are scum and lowlife stealing this man's and his wife life savings. >>>Why? How? >>>>Can the same be said about the inventor of the axe? If not = why not? Do you understand how absurd this can be? In other words, because someone was drunk driving today and killed a person, we need to ban all cars in the world. I agree with this... it does not make sense and I might sound stupid in my argument, this is not how the world work. because of someone doing bad we stop using a good technology in a good faithful way. the main issue with USDT or any on-chain smart contracts like USDC and others is that they are not really fungible pretty much like BTC and all other visible chains, which means if you use physical cash to do the trade you are much more safer than doing it USDT way but that comes with it is fees by doing your way you are saving on % as i understand which is good but at the same time very risky >>> lo and behold the poor Agorist will fall a second vicitm to the those lowlife scum inhuman thieves >>>Improve your technical skills + profiling skills so that you are not scammed. >>>Before attempting to protect and save the entire world, first take care of yourself and your family so that you and they are not deceived. You will not be able to protect and save the world anyway. I fully 100% agree with you on this.. I am studying all safe methods myself but trying to understand the human nature better because at the end of it all the human aspect is a big part in this equation. creating a safe community like xmrbazaar is wonderful to see... engaging in and report inhumans to other good humans to not fall a victim and so on. I once been scammed when I was young and that made me thinking why humans do this ? I understood that the world is harsh and hard to live in, but as you stolen that hard earned money by scamming. couldn't you think that this poor person worked hard to earn it faithfully ? and that you as a subhuman scammer you give the LE more reasons to make everyone's day to day life even harder ??? just questioning this led me into philosophy, psychology and into Agora at the end >>>Don't deceive the free (as in freedom) market and people. Befriend them and create agorist p2p connections to deceive and circumvent the state together. that's what I am trying to do.. just a simple human living in peace with others, read this forum reply about email: https://xmrbazaar.com/forum/topic/29/reply/115/ and how inhumans scums and as nostr:npub1ajlljavyzaj44k96zg7euzxkp4m8q3w6yfrjah5xel4gax3v697qc5d9u3 call them PoS💩 are one of the many reasons LE feeds on to get their authority over you. and sorry if I couldn't deliver what i wanted to say in a good way as my english language is not that good Much respect to you all ❤

Hi, sorry I am new to this in Nostr. but I don't use Lightining at all Thanks for the offer anyway ❤

>>> then you as a peaceful Agorist could get these coins and get in trouble because LE sadly are much powerful than you as an individual Before accepting USDT, check the wallet address to ensure you do not receive stolen coins and avoid potential problems in the future. >>> I know I may sound an anti-agorist by all this Being an agorist does not mean being stupid. LE is obviously stronger than me, so in order to protect myself in advance, if I have to trade with a stranger, I will check their USDT and if they are stolen, I will refuse to do business with them. There is nothing anti-agorist here, either in voluntary trade or in voluntary non-trade. I can weigh the potential risks and ask for a bigger discount for these USDT if I decide to accept them. This is an additional risk that I could theoretically expose myself to. This is all market simulation, and if I get arrested and they refer to this post — again, this is market simulation. >>> because of someone doing bad we stop using a good technology in a good faithful way. But this is a voluntary choice made by an individual at a specific moment in time. In other words, even if people were being shot in the street for owning Monero, would I still use XMR? Yes, I would. Why? Because I want to. :) >>> the main issue with USDT or any on-chain smart contracts like USDC and others is that they are not really fungible pretty much like BTC and all other visible chains, which means if you use physical cash to do the trade you are much more safer than doing it USDT way but that comes with it is fees by doing your way you are saving on % as i understand which is good but at the same time very risky USDT has taken over the world. Not just the crypto world, but the real economy. For example, I know there are businessmen who trade wholesale spices around the world. They're usually in poor countries and have zero trust in the banking system, so all their transactions are USDT-TRC20 (on Tron). The potential problems behind USDT are much, much greater than the lack of interchangeability. But the market (voluntary human activity) accepts (consciously or not, it's hard to say) all the potential problems of USDT-TRC20 in order to have a "bank in their pocket". When USDT collapses, it will simply be the biggest crash in crypto history, which will also have a very strong impact on the real economy. Unfortunately, most people are too lazy to learn something new, which is why they use USDT. If you explain all the disadvantages of USDT and, for example, all the advantages of Liquity (LUSD) to a large spice trader from a poor country, another problem arises: all of his business partners use USDT-TRC20, and here a new challenge arises — to convert his partners to LUSD, but their partners also use USDT-TRC20, and so on... In an ideal world, they would all use XMR and enjoy the benefits of XMR, but we do not live in an ideal world. >>> but trying to understand the human nature better because at the end of it all the human aspect is a big part in this equation This is often more important than the best or even perfect technology. :) >>> I understood that the world is harsh and hard to live in, but as you stolen that hard earned money by scamming. couldn't you think that this poor person worked hard to earn it faithfully ? These people have a different mentality. So, I don't think they think about it. Just always be ready to resist and fight back. >>> and that you as a subhuman scammer you give the LE more reasons to make everyone's day to day life even harder ? That's right. If you think about it, LE is actually the most ineffective and useless "service", with a negligible success rate in solving crimes, and no one would tolerate such a low level of inefficiency in a free (as in freedom) market, and such a business would have gone bankrupt long ago, but since the state has a monopoly on this "protection" service (law enforcement), there is nothing you can do about it. Also, no law enforcement agency cares about inefficiency. They only care about high-profile cases that can have a political impact on their bosses. And if you (the taxpayer sucker) have your 3000 EUR bicycle stolen in modern Europe, no one will give a shit about you because you are a taxpayer sucker and you have no influence and cannot demand your taxes back for the forced retention of LE. >>> just questioning this led me into philosophy, psychology and into Agora at the end Welcome. It's always nice to see someone who consciously chooses this philosophy. :) >>> and sorry if I couldn't deliver what i wanted to say in a good way as my english language is not that good Everything's fine! I understood you perfectly. My English is far from perfect. Use DeepL.com, it's a very good translator.

>>>Before accepting USDT, check the wallet address to ensure you do not receive stolen coins and avoid potential problems in the future. How do you check against it ? is there a reliable website to check the address ? Also what are the odds of the other party lying about the address ? like giving you a clean address to check but then proceeed with trading the dirty coin ? >>>USDT has taken over the world. Not just the crypto world, but the real economy. For example, I know there are businessmen who trade wholesale spices around the world. They're usually in poor countries and have zero trust in the banking system, so all their transactions are USDT-TRC20 (on Tron). >>>The potential problems behind USDT are much, much greater than the lack of interchangeability. But the market (voluntary human activity) accepts (consciously or not, it's hard to say) all the potential problems of USDT-TRC20 in order to have a "bank in their pocket". >>>When USDT collapses, it will simply be the biggest crash in crypto history, which will also have a very strong impact on the real economy. >>>Unfortunately, most people are too lazy to learn something new, which is why they use USDT. I think USDT and all the stablecoins replaced the traditional e-digitial cash systems such as Paypal Payoneer and others in a very short time, since these e-cash systems were heavily used in third world countries Also transactions are conducted in US dollars. There is no Account no KYC you just open a Tron wallet and you are set. very powerful tool. these poor countries people understand it well, there is another aspect to USDT which is liquidity I think last time I checked Tether hit 127B or something in total on both TRC20 and ERC20 which is crazy >>>These people have a different mentality. So, I don't think they think about it. Just always be ready to resist and fight back. What is their mentality ? I am still trying to understand how they think, I couldn't comprehend it yet...I cannot imagine how they could stoop to such a low level without asking themselves, “What are you doing?” yes, they are scums. Much respect to you, Thank you for taking the time to explain all this to me. ❤