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Right. People inside the system have no real need for considerations outside that system. As long as the system continues to feed them. He's largely extracted himself from wallstreet as well because he knows we are going to go through a massive shit show period sooner or later. He thinks it'll be in the next two years. I would agree with that. It feels like things are coming to a head. The guy interviewing him seems like the most likely to be able to orange pill him tbh. Based on the way he asked the question I think he's already found the orange pill; maybe just doesn't have as much conviction as you or I would in that conversation.