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BTC_P2P 2 years ago
So in your opinion is Sparrow’s join compromised? And if so what join do you recommend?
Yes it’s all part of zerolink protocol Tx0 is not a coinjoin txn! Because op_return is not used in coinjoin tx but rather in tx0(transaction zero), which is not a coinjoin txn! Also Tx0 fees are paid to the software publisher, not to the coordinator and no fee is paid during mixing, except fees that paid to miners. then tx goes to premix/postmix which belongs to your own derivation path. Therefore op_return contains info allowing the server to verify that the fee was actually paid to an address., because sending to whirlpool means sending to your own hardened derivation path that you control. It's an anti-spoofing mechanism. If the fee is not seen in the blockchain then the inputs are not registered. It also allows to not use a static fee for address collection. The use of op return in tx0 resilient to potential coordinator failure and enable decentralization - two things a coordinator database can't solve.
Sparrow uses the same whirlpool as Samourai nothing is compromised. Sparrow/Samourai whirlpool is same pool. That’s what we want the bigger the pools the better for everyone Jam is not zerolink protocol and there is no postmix tools no thanks
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Kruw 2 years ago
WabiSabi coinjoins are far superior to Whirlpool coinjoins. You get complete privacy on your entire balance, there is no "bad bank" that makes your transactions traceable like Whirlpool. WabiSabi coinjoins are available in Wasabi Wallet, BTCPay Server, and Trezor.
Zerolink is no panacea I didn’t say anything about samourai being compromised. I simply stated my preference. You’re barking at the wrong tree I like my mixing coordination decentralized, fast, and in any UTXO size I want. But you do you Idk what you mean by postmix tools. All I need is to lower the probability that a certain UTXO belongs to me. Joinmarket accomplishes that for me.
Miss me with that “you haven’t done your own research” bullshit. Don’t be butthurt because you failed to see I was just commenting on my preference and not attacking your precious samourai whirlpool I used both and prefer JAM for the reasons I stated. Evokes an emotional response then that might be a good sign you need to touch grass and maybe a woman or two
op_return is not part of a coinjoin tx but rather a part of tx0. And transaction zero is what requires in zerolink protocol. And zerolink protocol breaks all these parameters: deterministic links, unmixed change, mixing with the same participants, mixing with yourself. Therefore ban is very targeted attack it is even worse because without tx0 one cannot enter whirlpool (coinjoin) and therefore banning a conjoin after all.
If it’s not required then there ARE deterministic links, unmixed change, mixing with the same participants, mixing with yourself.