It's the general stance of libertarians that if you can win an argument, you can overthrow the government. But because arguments are completely pointless and ineffectual, the state will not be overthrown by them.
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No, that is the normie view of libertarian philosophy.
It seems we're at an impasse. Was great talking
Read my comment to the OP for more clarity.
Libertarianism generally has no clear goal or definition of what it even is. You can see that even amongst themselves in their arguments. That's not to say I don't agree with some of them in principle, only that I can't tell you what it is and neither can most of them from what I've seen. And if they do have some idea, it'll vary wildly between who you ask. It's all super disintegrated, which is probably why their political arm is always choas and makes very little progress. This is the main reason I left the movement. One of my favorite examples is the "libertarian socialists"