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Totally agree.
The Opensats board wanted a nice spreadsheet. Not a client that Nostr users would like to use. So a lot of clients that nobody uses and hasn't even heard of are getting funded. They're not exchanging bitcoin value for value. They're just using bitcoin to fund a lot of nice spreadsheets on GitHub.
#[4], they're turning your bitcoin donations into scrap paper.
Value is always subjective. The open sats board have proclaimed that they value changes to GitHub repos. Therefore it is reasonable to give them green squares.
Once they get a flood of synthetic green squares, they might change their metric. Lines of code? Issues closed? Releases pushed? Whatever they want we can create in arbitrary quantity.
Measuring green squares is a convenience. But once it becomes a target, it creases to be a good measurement.
that's a shitcoiner move 😂
It’s like those jiggler things remote office workers use to keep laptops on to justify their enormous salaries while paying someone on Fiverr to do their job so they can fuck off all day.
Opensats has always accepted grant applications. They have not publicly stated that they are short of funds. I am disappointed with their evaluation of Freerse's proof of work. They prefer to trust a beautiful statistical table to evaluate the proof of work. They are unwilling to test and use the clients that users actually use. And those beautiful tables can be modified to be beautiful with a modifier.
Thank you for telling me about these institutions, I have not tried to consult them. 🫂💜
It’s what they want! Mutual exchange is the basis of capitalism.
Who am I to judge their love of green squares?
Exactly. If the company wants mouse jiggling, who are we to judge them?
People have different preferences. Variety is the spice of life. Some people like to pay mouse jigglers. There’s no accounting for taste.
The truth is, it's not about exchanging value for value. It's about exchanging bitcoin for shitcoin.
I don’t think they’re short of funds mate, I think the people evaluating the grant requests are short of time. That explains why they’d use nonsense metrics like GitHub - it becomes an easy no for them to move on to the next one if they can quickly look and put a cross in a box.
Geyserfund is closest to Opensats but you’d be self-fundraising.
Bitpac is nothing like it. That’s a model to bring in BTC investors for equity in a business.
Nostrocket is a hybrid where you could bring in investors but the funding mode is different.
Don’t be disheartened by Opensats refusal - seek other paths.
I have no skin in the game. So just my opinions:
It seems like you completed something and spent a whole lot of long months on it.
Now you want to get compensated for a completed project. (Even though you mention this is only the first phase) they may think you will see the money as payment for what you already did. And you may slowly or not complete another phase. (Did it catch on? Are people begging for more of your project??)
I think it is immensely challenging to be a developer hoping for funding.
Once your product catches on and you keep adding cool add ons, I would keep reapplying to them again.. Or figure out some sort of pay model that works.. some value that people really want to give you money for because it is so cool, and sought after.
I highly doubt they want you to make fake green squares 😂
The work of #[4] volunteers is great. I'm not sure if #[5] donated special operating funds to provide salaries to volunteers. But they can't make decisions based on a piece of statistical waste paper just because they are volunteers. They have a great responsibility. They are responsible for the allocation of funding for the entire decentralized Nostr global developers. This is the value of Jack's establishment of Opensats.
I saw some early Nostr developers who have been quietly developing infrastructure to contribute to Nostr. But many of them were rejected when they applied for funding. There was no reason. We all came here because we believed in Jack. I once asked Jack if he would still support Nostr if Nostr could not develop within 5 years? Jack said "Yes". So we have been working hard to make good products. We all believe that the combination of Nostr and Bitcoin is the future. But now the proof of work of our builders has been defeated by a beautiful piece of waste paper. And refused funding.
Isn't this ridiculous? Since Opensats has discovered the problem, it should face the solution. Instead of whitewashing it. If Opensats is short of staff, it should raise more operating funds to recruit volunteers. It can't be said that a few volunteers can manage tens of millions of dollars for free. This is not in line with business rules, and money should not be used to test human nature. Funding applications now take several months, which seriously affects Nostr's development. If this continues, many real developers will leave. In the end, only some GitHub projects that can make statistical tables but no one uses them will be left.
It's called a grant, not a guarantee. How is your client different from amethyst or any other client?
Why all this kink-shaming the green square lovers? They showed a screenshot of a dearth of green squares. Give the people what they crave!
the sad state of funding for nostr apps SMH
Our problem is that the OpenSats board should not replace the proof of work of developers and the love of the client with a piece of paper with GitHub statistics. This is unfair to all real Nostr developers. This is not a value exchange value, this is a performance of shitcoin.
OpenSats as a symbol of Nostr's public welfare organization is undermining the value of developers coming to Nostr.
Yes. Real Nostr developers are sad. Because they only build clients that have users. They don't make beautiful statistical waste paper.
The Opensats board only allocates funds for those waste paper projects that no one uses. In the end, real developers can only leave sadly.
amen brother
This is a fact
Truth
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Thanks for sharing and support bro. I will take note. We believe in the future of Nostr and Bitcoin. So build it here. We all hope Nostr will get better and better. 🫂
Thank you for your experience feedback. Freerse is a simple, effective and easy-to-use iOS/Android application.
The factual interactive data display of Freerse's posts is very comprehensive. Freerse can publish posts and long articles at the same time, and has a special long article reading area. You can easily and quickly read all the high-quality long articles that you follow. Freerse has a Gif keyboard. There is also a personal GIF collection, where you can use your favorite GIFs at any time. When you read other people's posts, you can directly add the GIFs you like to your personal collection. Freerse's iOS can use NWC-type wallets to directly Zap posts without making other settings. Freerse can automatically translate the languages of most countries. Freerse has a smooth thread browsing experience, and you can enter any thread to chat smoothly. Freerse has a beautiful dark UI design. Freerse has 24h trending videos, photos, and posts, and you can keep up with the latest developments of Nostr at any time. And so on. But there are also many functions and NIPs that have not been implemented yet. There are still some issues that need to be optimized.
If you are willing to try it, you will like it. I also hope to get your feedback.
Thank you for your experience feedback. Freerse is a simple, effective and easy-to-use iOS/Android application.
The factual interactive data display of Freerse's posts is very comprehensive. Freerse can publish posts and long articles at the same time, and has a special long article reading area. You can easily and quickly read all the high-quality long articles that you follow. Freerse has a Gif keyboard. There is also a personal GIF collection, where you can use your favorite GIFs at any time. When you read other people's posts, you can directly add the GIFs you like to your personal collection. Freerse's iOS can use NWC-type wallets to directly Zap posts without making other settings. Freerse can automatically translate the languages of most countries. Freerse has a smooth thread browsing experience, and you can enter any thread to chat smoothly. Freerse has a beautiful dark UI design. Freerse has 24h trending videos, photos, and posts, and you can keep up with the latest developments of Nostr at any time. And so on. But there are also many functions and NIPs that have not been implemented yet. There are still some issues that need to be optimized.
If you are willing to try it, you will like it. I also hope to get your feedback.
Agree. Construction is proof of work, not artificial statistical waste paper.
Amethyst is a good Nostr client. But Amethyst is not equal to Nostr. If you have the need to experience other clients, you can try it.
I've noted it down. It should be a bug that occurred when the version was updated. Thank you for your feedback.
Agreed. But now it's the only thing that matters. If the developer client hasn't even been tested, a GitHub statistics table will negate the proof of work. For projects that have no users, they can make a lot of special green tables.
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Right... But they already fund other clients, why should they fund your client if it's features are the same? Like is yours faster? Use a different language? What is your unique value prop
Can't rely on handouts gotta generate own income somehow some way you see fit.
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Faxx 📠
"volunteers"
I just tested it and the number of fans can be displayed. But this data is very inaccurate because we directly use all your scattered Relays. Every time you want to see the number of fans of an account, you have to re-pull the contact data of all relays to calculate the number of fans. The speed is very slow. Now only those clients with local cached relays can accurately know the number of fans of the user. You can query through primal and nostr.band, they use locally cached relays. This is the query data of nostr.band 🫂
https://nostr.band/?q=npub1uw6lgv5qyexx68fwgdmwt3w7v3dwv679sray2ncpkug70ad7a8gqut3tay

I assume you responded to the email with the reasons you listed for why there has not been much activity on the project? If not this post seems like a great way to burn many bridges...
Yes, I replied to an email about GitHub's inactivity.
Hopefully they will follow the funding rules and take a look at our code and test our products.
Yes, It's a good idea.