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my issue with your free relay idea is that you are hurting the paid relay industry. We are trying to build a business on paid relays and customers have been coming and joining but many don't want to join because they have access to free relays. So basically, you are killing your own paid relay business.
Nickel and diming users hurts both you and your users, and this is not something I want to do. There are unfortunately relays that try to do this, however. It is not “hurting” paid relays. If you have no way for them to even try Nostr without a paywall, they won’t use it at all. There are 3 main categories of non-payers: 1. They don’t have the means to pay 2. They don’t want to spend at all 3. They don’t know what they get out of a paid relay / think it’s not enough Almost everyone makes contributions to the social network. Without them, there would be no Nostr, and no users to even get on your relay. People in the last category also get a janky experience and think it is unfixable. Showing them the capabilities of paid relays (with limits) helps overcome this barrier. Regardless, Nostr.land builds on top of Nostr. I am giving back to help it grow, with Nostr.land already supporting 10002 for all users + hist.nostr.land. I think that this is much more beneficial to the growth of Nostr, than randomly flinging grants.
you changed! you used to be a capitalist business cat, now you are a socialist! I'm not going to convince you further. I love money because it equals power. I will continue to support paid relays and never free.
ok that's a better. You give them a free preview for a while then eventually that convinces them to pay for the full thing. That's not socialist thinking. That's capitalism. 🥳
yes you're right. I was suspecting semisol's wife was forcing him to run a free relays against his wishes
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Technical Debt's avatar Technical Debt
If you have a look at freemium games, it’s always funded by a few whales and the majority of users just free ride. This goes against every intuition we have but is a reality in other places as well, like casinos and stuff. Centralized platforms have the means to shuffle money around very easily, while we’re here asking that every user pays a fee every month and then wonder why the thing isn’t growing. I used to think metered usage micropayments was the obvious way to go, since you could distribute content into some sort of filecoin/storj clone and everyone would just pay their fair share but now I’m leaning towards “turn free riders into CDN”. My iPhone has more processing power and bandwidth available than most servers had a few decades ago, IPv6 and NAT hole punching have been enabling p2p applications for a while now, why not? Then there would be less pressure on free relays by freeloaders and premium relays could justify subsiding free relays, while focusing on delivering value for the whales.
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