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Super Testnet tactic for Nostr adoption: provoke people into arguments. It's textbook.

Super Testnet, did you ever know that you're my hero? 😃🤩😎🫵🎼🎵🎶

I did track the lightning node I did a payment to recently 👀

This whole arc is magnificent.

Might need to write a song about it, friend 😃🎶

But isn't there a pretty cheap(by NSA standards) way to surveil the entire lightning network and track movements and amounts of sats in and out of every node? Isn't this a weakness of the current gossip scheme?

Great! Let's see the logs

I don't know a cheap way to surveil the *entire* network. I've heard people wonder if the NSA can watch basically all internet traffic by purchasing packet info from ISPs and 5-eyes countries. If they can do that, then they can probably surveil all LN transactions too. Apart from that, if I wanted to surveil as much of the network as I could in a cheap way, I would try to use binary payment probing (a technique pioneered by Rene Pickhardt in this paper: https://arxiv.org/abs/2004.00333) to get regular snapshots of the balances of the top 50 routing nodes. His technique can get you a balance snapshot every 20 seconds. This isn't a weakness of the gossip scheme (balances aren't gossiped), the weakness comes from the fact that probing to see if a payment will go through is free, and tells you information about whether a routing node has enough *capacity* to forward your payment.

Cool, thanks for the explanation!

You are using ln.coinos.io 021294fff596e497ad2902cd5f19673e9020953d90625d68c22e91b51a45c032d3 to receive zaps ⚡

I want to congratulate @Kevin Ravens₿erg ⚡️ ☁️ for finding an LN transaction and posting it Let's see info he learned: - sender? Himself -- assuming he sent from a self-custodial wallet, he even knows the address or channel of the sender, wow! - recipient? He knows the recipient's communication pubkey, node, and node name -- though not learn the address or channel that received the money - Amount? 69 sats - Fee? less than 1 sat That's a lot of info! More than I'd get from analyzing a monero transaction. Reading this back, it sounds sarcastic; it's not, I am being genuine: this really is more info than I'd get from analyzing a monero transaction, and it motivates me to work on making LN better. Thanks Kevin!

If you were using blinded paths I would not be able to tell the final recipient, so LN can already be more private for receivers 🕶️

Also nice you throw in the solution 😂

Only a little reckless

How does Bolt12 fit into all this

It allows more receiver privacy than this example.