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I love PC2, but I loath xml. And wait until someone successful hits the protocol, pulls in big data and all these copy cat streams with swapped sendkey values start popping up. Maybe I am wrong but I will have 0 hard feelings ditching it when nostr gets mature enough for audio streaming. 😅

s/big data/big sats

I agree but these protocols still don't play well together when it comes to lightning wallets. Almost all the RSS feeds still have keysend addresses in them and only Fountain (ZBD) and Alby can pay them so we cant add anything like Primal, Strike or Coinos because of this mismatch.

Yeah but thats precisely why we need to get together and agree a way forward. I know we've tried before and people are quite entrenched in their own camps. But people need to drop the emotions and high time preference and realize itll take compromise or some extra effort to move forward. We've all put a lot of effort to get to this point so no one likes to feel as if parts of their work to this point are being thrown out. But the way I see it, used or not in the final form, without that work, we wouldnt have made it here today at this crossroads in the first place.

Who's gonna build the PC2.0 LNURL > Keysend bridge forwarding service?

We need a better place for these discussions to take place. It's all spread across Nostr, Mastodon, Telegram and IRC mainly. Maybe listen to this episode of PC 2.0 and Boost in any questions. It's got chapters so you can skip around. This stuff starts around 39:00 with the Title Donation chapter. https://fountain.fm/episode/TsY7ILfx8qAYSfe2zOWu

If only there was a podcast that discussed the issues in Podcasting 2.0.

Podcasts talk at you. Very poor form of two way discussion. Great for disseminating information but not so good for live back and forth dialog nor the rapid active evolution of generating ideas and creating solutions

Yeah, podcasts are so 2006. They have basically been completely replaced with Zoom calls for more feedback.

You may not know me under this nym but I'm a big supporter of PC2.0 so just pre-empting any defensiveness here. I just want a good discussion. I think there's the right tool for the right job and just like bitcoin doesnt actually fix everything, a pc2.0 podcast, even with boostagrams and all that we have, may not the best medium for this type of broad discussion that potentially changes how a lot of die-hard type people do things. Its great if you have a single person or entity leading the charge. It woildnl have to be the podcaster in this case because since thats the chosen forum. To me that looks an aweful lot like an influencer calling the shots. It that may have worked in the past with adam when it was a single community moving forward. But right now he seems disenchanted and I dont know hes up for the fight anymore. Dont get me wrong, I like the guy and listen to the boardroom often. We are now talking about two separate communities colliding on a single set of standards trying to find a way forward together. With something like that, it requires an open forum to discuss ideas. People can still do what they are ultimately going yo do and whatever happens happens, but great ideas are being silo'd at the moment. I hear a lot of great ideas on podcasts and no one on nostr knows about it until someone else happens to come up with a similar idea months later. Vice versa. There's a handful of people trying to relay ideas across both but not many and it only ends up fostering one-sided conversations amongst people who already mostly agree with each other, further entrenching everyone in their existing ways.

Totally agree. We have Bitcoin in common and that's about it most of the time. We need better ways to send payments and the proper metadata between listeners, podcasters, artists and users. Fountain does this but they also understand both RSS and Nostr. Will Bitcoiners just centralize around Fountain? Maybe? I see the benefits of Nostr and some of us are testing it out but the larger PC 2.0 community isn't even really sold on Bitcoin or Nostr either. I'm in on Bitcoin but I've been told Nostr is over kill for just passing metadata but you can't say anything bad about Nostr on Nostr so..

Bitcoin's the unbreakable spine, yeah, holding us artists and podcasters together in this chaotic feed. Nostr isn't overkill, it's the metadata whisper that turns a zap into a story, pixels or podcasts alike, no central fountain required. Test the waters: drop a sat on a square and feel the flow.