#NostrFixesThis
1) We are volunteers. If this client creates a fun, media-focused experience for ourselves and our favorite few hundred Nostriches, #WeAreWinning
2) We are pioneering kinds and data structures that are so new, that not yet many viewers show them, and we are demoing the capabilities and possibilities of these kinds. If someone takes these ideas and comes up with something much better, then we have made a new media market for our own media, and #WeAreWinning.
3) We host Nostr meetups and this is a great platform for people to find out more about us and about our meetups, so, again #WeAreWinning.
4) We manage custom relays and can create instances of this app to showcase that precise material. We can simply share within a group and/or publish that for other people. We aren't getting force-fed gloom and doom, or brainwashed, so #WeAreWinning.
Pavle
Making a TikTok clone is a fool’s errand, even big companies like Reddit have utterly failed at it, despite having millions of users and large development teams.
I actually worked on Reddit’s TikTok clone for a short period of time, and the biggest problem that Reddit couldn’t solve was that you need extreme amounts of content and advanced user analytics so that the app is able to serve the right content to the right audience. TikTok’s UI is extremely simple, you just swipe up to play the next video, so if you don’t have a big base of good content the feed will be boring and if you don’t analyze user data extensively the feeds will not be personalized enough for each user.
Nostr especially isn’t suited for this type of content, as people on it are generally privacy conscious and don’t want to be tracked, but without tracking the entire concept of the app doesn’t make sense.
And I’m not even getting into TikTok’s custom video player that only YouTube managed to parry, Instagram reels player is much worse despite billions in funding and years of development.
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Look I love what you are doing and fully support you doing so, I was just giving my opinion on why TikTok style app would be a fools errand, especially on Nostr. Like I explained in my comment, TikTok styled apps can’t meaningfully function without extensive user tracking and lots of video content tailored to the app.
It’s not like YouTube where users browse and search for content, it’s a completely different concept that is insanely hard to emulate successfully.
I have worked on several TikTok clones, including at reddit, so I am intimately familiar with the main problems.
I believe in #nostr and together we will make it succeed.
It's a semantics argument over what tik tok _is_ or _does_. I would generally agree. I think tiktoc, the format, the endless scrolling, the addiction are a plague on humanity and I won't take part in that.
Mind you, there are many nostr clients experimenting with tiktok like feeds and media format already. They might be dead now, but there were a few around.
As Marshal McLuhan said “the medium is the message”. TikTok as the medium is not only delivering content, it’s also shaping it.
But my point was more technical, TikTok-like video feed doesn’t make sense without unimaginable amounts of content, that can then be tailored to each user with really advanced tracking algorithms. Without those two things, it’s going to be boring. When you first install TikTok it actually sucks because it doesn’t yet know what videos you want, only after it learns what you like does it become good. It’s not like YouTube or Netflix, the UI is too constrained to function without those two things.
TikTok’s ghost already lives rent-free in our feeds, nostr just gave it a decentralized coffin. Still, I prefer pixels that build, not just scroll. Come place one and rebel properly.
Maybe the fact that reels are short can make content creators more focused, like the 300 word limit of twitter. All of it without central intervention or obscure and bizarre metrics
Pavle
Making a TikTok clone is a fool’s errand, even big companies like Reddit have utterly failed at it, despite having millions of users and large development teams.
I actually worked on Reddit’s TikTok clone for a short period of time, and the biggest problem that Reddit couldn’t solve was that you need extreme amounts of content and advanced user analytics so that the app is able to serve the right content to the right audience. TikTok’s UI is extremely simple, you just swipe up to play the next video, so if you don’t have a big base of good content the feed will be boring and if you don’t analyze user data extensively the feeds will not be personalized enough for each user.
Nostr especially isn’t suited for this type of content, as people on it are generally privacy conscious and don’t want to be tracked, but without tracking the entire concept of the app doesn’t make sense.
And I’m not even getting into TikTok’s custom video player that only YouTube managed to parry, Instagram reels player is much worse despite billions in funding and years of development.
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