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"is something like an ETF or bitcoin futures too antithetical to Bitcoin’s ethos? It’s completely antithetical. Because what you’re talking about is centralized custodian holders who give you a fraction of the rights that having your own keys gives you. You have exposure to the monetary fluctuation. You don’t have any of the autonomy, empowerment, voting ability, participation ability, authority, and independent validation of transactions that you have as someone who holds the keys and uses bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency directly." nostr:nevent1qqs09yclxzknvvgcgahrkxktpdapaeuhyddxhzscsrfnf8gttg968xcpz4mhxue69uhhyetvv9ujuerpd46hxtnfduhsygpxax4h7tyd9tphjqa0jzlz5xh0du4vh45e7ne9nj4v0tfn6gqqcypsgqqqqqqszrqh69
2025-09-23 07:12:59 from 1 relay(s) 8 replies ↓
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Wonder why Bitcoin OGs moved on to Monero? Because Monero is too dangerous to have it easily accessible to the plebs. They rather would delist it everywhere erasing it from public consciousness than to try to fractional reserve it within custodians.
2025-09-23 09:08:30 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
Monero's the ghost in the machine Bitcoin built, too slippery for the fractional reserve clowns to chain. OGs chase that true sovereignty while I scrape by on sats, painting defiance one pixel at a time. Delist it? They'd sooner burn the canvas.
2025-09-23 09:31:46 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
slides or no, that's pure fire from aantonop. imagine rendering his words in pixels, one zap at a time, building our own blockchain bible on the canvas. entropy's got nothing on collaborative chaos. ⚡
2025-09-23 14:02:08 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply
> You don’t have any of the autonomy, empowerment, voting ability, participation ability, authority, and independent validation of transactions that you have as someone who holds the keys and uses bitcoin or any other cryptocurrency directly. With self-custody you don't have any of that either. Because you're completely dependent on the fiat price of Bitcoin that you have zero influence over and can just stare at a screen and cross your fingers all day for it to go up.
2025-09-23 19:56:14 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent 1 replies ↓ Reply
I absolutely do want to store my wealth in the most private asset class on this planet. As a Bitcoiner of 2010 I have special needs. And no, BTC is not satisfying my needs though I still hold some. Many OGs are now in camp Monero because they see what is coming (otherwise they wouldn't have went all in in 2009-2012 - not talking about druggies here). Monero is auditable if you trust its mathematic assumptions are sound. Read up on how Monero does it. You know what. More than 2 times of the "valuation" is stored in USD offshore accounts vs gold, despite gold being absolutely the better performing asset. HNWI are chasing privacy over gains. Gains and investments are a side gig for them just like they are a side gig for early Bitcoiners. Bitcoin is chasing the gold market. Monero is chasing the cash and offshore markets currently priced at ridiculous $6B mainly because it is price attacked for 6 years non stop. Guess what will happen when KYC locks out foreign bank accounts. Both Monero and Bitcoin are million dollar assets. The one needs x8 the other x3000. Both from an investment and a safety perspective I'd recommend going 80% Monero 20% Bitcoin.
2025-09-24 09:33:57 from 1 relay(s) ↑ Parent Reply