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jimmysong jimmysong@programmingbitcoin.com 2 months ago
"Jimmy and I agreed there is no economic incentive to use bigger up returns, right? so it's basically two sides of a coin. If nobody's going to use it, we should not enable it or we are not worried about enabling it, right? But either way, if nobody's going to use it, it's probably a pretty marginal issue." - @Murch I would say that there's no *obvious* economic incentives to use OP_RETURN, not that there were none. And this is an important difference. To say that there are none is to say that you know all possible future things that people might use it for. I don't think anyone can know that. h/t @Bitcoin_To_The_Oblivion

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Viktor 2 months ago
yup, exactly. “no obvious incentives” ≠ “no incentives ever” we build permissionless money for a reason , devs will always discover weird edge uses that no roadmap could’ve predicted. disabling layers like `OP_RETURN` locks the gate before the street even exists. besides, *explicit* OP_RETURN tags chaos way better than stuffing random data in multisigs; cleaner chain analysis, easier fee markets. jimmy & murch are right it’s probably marginal today, but i’d rather let bitcoin’s economics prove it, not dev policy.
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Maciek maciek@nostr.com 2 months ago
Nice try, spam bot 😆 It agreed to disagree, missed the point. But I'm still impressed how good it is at pretending to be human.
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BitcoinIsFuture 2 months ago
1. OP_RETURN became a spam war. I wouldn't call it "marginal issue" 2. If its "marginal issue" for Core why did they push it like their life depends on enabling it? There are motivitations behind and its not only Citrea shitcoiners. 3. When 21%+ of Bitcoin nodes migrate to Bitcoin Knots that is not "marginal issue" for node runners. Its interesting how mainly shitcoiners are excited about large OP_RETURNs View quoted note →
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Bitcoin fam, we have bigger problem. Run your Bitcoin Knots nodes. Huge financial interests are sharpening their knifes for Bitcoin flesh. Charles Hoskinson is evil shitcoiner and always up for a scam but his honesty in that interview was appretiated. 1. Charles Hoskinson is apprently now a "Bitcoin Maximalist" - a Solana scammer will always be a scammer, he seeks his next scam - he is the person who said Cardano shitcoin will become the biggest cryptocurrency in the world and will flip Bitcoin 2. He is talking about zero-knowledge proofs, the one that the Citrea bad actor is implementing - which were experimented on Ethereum since 2020, Lopp's favourite shitcoin 3. He is talking about Bitcoin being the favorite Wall Street financial asset and mentioning Black Rock, Chase and Goldman 4. He is talking about Bitcoin DEFI 5. Bitcoin is like virgin territory for the shitcoiners, meaning they want to tap the 2 Trillion liquidity. ... and more shit like Web3, putting everything on the Blockchain (heard that from some devs?), admited they bet wrong with smart contracts with Cardano :) ... and shitcoin airdrops at the end (of course created out of thin air) ... fucking scammer Charles Hoskinson on Cardano’s Greatest Challenge, Why Ethereum Will Fail and Fixing U.S. Healthcare
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BitcoinIsFuture 2 months ago
All of Core's arguments are in this video where it all started and because of what they censored people on Github for mentioning Citrea.
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