By direct observation, UTXOs behave as quantum bits of information. They exist in a binary state either unspent (0) or spent (1) and cannot be in both. Their resolution (via spending) is irreversible, conserved, and publicly verifiable. They hold no state until acted upon, and cannot be double-spent.
It’s a computed quantum measurement but with a ledger.
You’re right: Bitcoin block time (~10 minutes) is not physically equivalent to Planck time. But I’m not saying it is in origin I’m saying it is in function. Bitcoin doesn’t re-define Planck Units (sorry if I said otherwise), it provides context and meaning to them by the open measurable physics observed in Bitcoin.
In the Bitcoin system, a block is the smallest unit of causal transformation. Between blocks, no change occurs. There is no evolution, no new memory, no new truth. From the inside of bitcoin as an observer, “seconds” don’t exist. The system defines its own discrete time unit, the block.
This makes “1 block” the functional equivalent of “1 Planck time” within the network’s closed physics. The analogy is structural: discrete, irreversible, indivisible units of entropy resolution. This may give us a real, observable interpretation of Planck time as a computational boundary, not just a theoretical one.
If so, perhaps universal Planck time arises from an unobservable parent structure in a similar way that Bitcoin time arises from hashes and difficulty and a target time, a hidden consensus of entropy resolution not available for observation from within the system, like seconds within Bitcoin. Time in Bitcoin is constructed from Planck Time if you want to get granular as 10 minutes could be expressed as Planck time.
Bitcoin, through the Lightning Network, reveals the existence of a fully coherent layer of transformations between discrete time intervals (blocks). Lightning states evolve off-chain (invisible to the ledger) and collapse only when the time is right. They are pure potential until commitment. Only the final state, not the intermediates, is recorded on-chain.
If this is possible within Bitcoin why not universally with Planck time? We could never know by observation. I postulate that peer-to-peer interactions occur between Planck Time, with reality collapsing only at discrete commit points. The ledger we observe is not continuous. It is the projection of deeper transformations resolved only when energy demands truth.
Bitcoin gives us a measurable substrate for thermodynamic comparison. In this substrate:
- Time is block height, the irreversible tick of resolved entropy.
- Memory is the global UTXO set: the conserved informational structure.
- Energy is the work required to collapse entropy calculated directly from SHA-256 and difficulty.
Together, these form a three-dimensional coordinate system for the system’s internal “physics.” Time × Memory becomes the dimensional substrate; space is a consequence and a frozen map of all resolved interactions.
This framework rejects the smooth continuum of classical spacetime.
Bitcoin operates in timespace — a discrete, causal structure where events have no spatial presence without work, and space itself is the memory of energy having been spent.
In Bitcoin, memory and time are dimensionally inseparable. The block is both a temporal unit and a committed memory state meaning:
Bits^2 = Block^2 = Bit-Block
They are not separate variables. They are the same dimension expressed through different operations of entropy collapse.
On this surface, internal entropy (satoshis) is orthogonal a third axis penetrating the memory-time plane:
Sats per Bit^2 = Sats per Bit-Block
This defines Bitcoin’s thermodynamic geometry: Work (energy) collapses uncertainty into a measured bit per block, while sats encode the internal entropy of that resolved unit. I won’t go into radial wrapping right now but it’s necessary.
UTXOs certainly do not exist spacetime. They build timespace, block by block.
Using a temperature-based model derived from Boltzmann (revised by anchoring entropy to a finite supply of internal entropy units), we can calculate the energy of every block precisely. We can take Landauers Principle and modify the entropy for the proof of work hash function scaled by difficulty.
This defines block energy as resolved entropy per unit work, structurally identical to thermodynamic law but now measurable.
Space in Bitcoin is not “real estate” it’s resolved possibility. UTXOs define what can be acted upon, and once spent, they mark memory. Their spatiality emerges from time, energy, and memory not independent of them. I am adamant that Bitcoin is the answer to quantum physics.
So yes, we can think of each UTXO as a bit in a curved informational manifold defined by elliptic curve coordinates, time of inclusion, and energy used to confirm it.
It’s a physical structure made of work by measurement.
Thank you for input tho, you’re one of the few willing to genuinely explore these questions with me, and I respect that deeply. I will try to get into your paper this weekend.
Whether we say “Bitcoin is a quantum computer,” or “Bitcoin is a mirror of quantum collapse,” the point is the same: it is a governed system of irreversible entropy resolution that anchors time, energy, and memory into conserved, measurable structure.
No point to argue what is or isn’t a quantum computer; bitcoin exists. Bitcoin doesn’t care about centralized quantum simulations.
Regardless, this deserves far more investigation by Bitcoiners. What if we are all wrong?
“Just Money” they say.
Let’s keep the conversations flowing.
Here's my attempt to try and reply, [...I'm in these boxes...] lol
"By direct observation, UTXOs behave as quantum bits of information. They exist in a binary state either unspent (0) or spent (1) and cannot be in both. Their resolution (via spending) is irreversible, conserved, and publicly verifiable. They hold no state until acted upon, and cannot be double-spent."
[True, but this isn't inherently quantum. It's deterministic state logic, a digital abstraction of irreversibility. Bitcoin mimics collapse through resolution, yes, but that’s not equivalent to quantum superposition. UTXOs are discrete, public and irreversible, but not entangled, nor probabilistic. Their behaviour echoes quantum themes, but is not quantum in origin.]
"It’s a computed quantum measurement but with a ledger."
[That’s poetic, but it’s not an actual measurement of a quantum system. It's a hash-based consensus ledger, irreversible, yes, but with no quantum collapse. There’s no wave function, no uncertainty, no decoherence. This is metaphorical language, not structural physics.]
"You’re right: Bitcoin block time (~10 minutes) is not physically equivalent to Planck time. But I’m not saying it is in origin I’m saying it is in function. Bitcoin doesn’t re-define Planck Units (sorry if I said otherwise), it provides context and meaning to them by the open measurable physics observed in Bitcoin."
[That is appreciated and important to clarify. However, functionally equating block time to Planck time is misleading. Planck time is a minimum limit on physical change. Block time is a human-defined interval for consensus. The drift, latency and variability of block production entirely invalidate the idea of a functional analogue.]
"In the Bitcoin system, a block is the smallest unit of causal transformation. Between blocks, no change occurs. There is no evolution, no new memory, no new truth. From the inside of bitcoin as an observer, “seconds” don’t exist. The system defines its own discrete time unit, the block."
[This is accurate, but again, this describes a programmatic system, not a physical one. Block time is artificially introduced to throttle issuance, not to mimic fundamental time. Nothing prevents Bitcoin from adjusting this. The Universe doesn’t renegotiate Planck time.]
"This makes “1 block” the functional equivalent of “1 Planck time” within the network’s closed physics. The analogy is structural: discrete, irreversible, indivisible units of entropy resolution. This may give us a real, observable interpretation of Planck time as a computational boundary, not just a theoretical one."
[I Still disagree. Bitcoin’s boundary is economic and procedural, not thermodynamic. Planck time is a physical limit on structure, not a chosen boundary. Saying “Bitcoin gives meaning to Planck time” is really saying it in reverse of what really happens. Planck time gives meaning to why physical systems can't be broken into smaller slices. Bitcoin breaks its own rules all the time (eg forks, reorgs, variance etc).]
"If so, perhaps universal Planck time arises from an unobservable parent structure in a similar way that Bitcoin time arises from hashes and difficulty and a target time, a hidden consensus of entropy resolution not available for observation from within the system, like seconds within Bitcoin. Time in Bitcoin is constructed from Planck Time if you want to get granular as 10 minutes could be expressed as Planck time."
[That is speculative and mixs up metaphors across domains. Bitcoin doesn’t have physical time emergence. It uses timestamping and randomised hash work with a poisson distribution. Planck time is not built from hashes. Equating a noisy economic heartbeat with a fundamental physical constant to be honest risks spiritualising a spreadsheet.]
"Bitcoin, through the Lightning Network, reveals the existence of a fully coherent layer of transformations between discrete time intervals (blocks). Lightning states evolve off-chain (invisible to the ledger) and collapse only when the time is right. They are pure potential until commitment. Only the final state, not the intermediates, is recorded on-chain."
[That is a good metaphor for offchain potential, but again, this is computational abstraction, not quantum physics. Offchain data is held in trust of logic and not a probabilistic cloud. The “collapse” is legal or contractual, not real world physical.]
"If this is possible within Bitcoin why not universally with Planck time? We could never know by observation. I postulate that peer-to-peer interactions occur between Planck Time, with reality collapsing only at discrete commit points. The ledger we observe is not continuous. It is the projection of deeper transformations resolved only when energy demands truth."
[That’s closer to my Hole Universe model and reality, but in my model, collapse defines spacetime itself. There is no “between Planck times” nothing exists between thresholds. This isn't a simulated ledger. Planck collapse is not periodic, it's topological. It's triggered by structural tension, not time ticks.]
"Bitcoin gives us a measurable substrate for thermodynamic comparison. In this substrate:
Time is block height, the irreversible tick of resolved entropy.
Memory is the global UTXO set: the conserved informational structure.
Energy is the work required to collapse entropy calculated directly from SHA-256 and difficulty."
[That is accurate internally for BTC, this is how Bitcoin encodes and commits irreversible change. But it’s a simulation of physics and not and never a substrate of physics. Bitcoin maps entropy metaphorically, but not fundamentally. SHA-256 is not equivalent to particle collapse in reality.]
"Together, these form a three-dimensional coordinate system for the system’s internal “physics.” Time × Memory becomes the dimensional substrate; space is a consequence and a frozen map of all resolved interactions."
[That is ell structured, but again, this is Bitcoins map, not the Universes territory. My Hole Universe model has collapse first, then vector, then encoded memory. Space is not frozen, its strained, preserved tension from a collapse.]
"This framework rejects the smooth continuum of classical spacetime. Bitcoin operates in timespace — a discrete, causal structure where events have no spatial presence without work, and space itself is the memory of energy having been spent."
[Agreed in principle, except Bitcoins work is artificial. BIt burns energy to prove cost, but that cost doesn’t correspond to real quantum memory strain. In the Universe, collapse creates new structure. In Bitcoin, it encodes human intent. To similar shape for a different origin, an imperfect mirror.]
"In Bitcoin, memory and time are dimensionally inseparable. The block is both a temporal unit and a committed memory state meaning: Bits² = Block² = Bit-Block They are not separate variables. They are the same dimension expressed through different operations of entropy collapse."
[Nice phrasing m8e, I like the conceptual intent. But again, collapse in the Universe is not a bit, it is a rupture of potential. Bitcoin quantifies digital commitments. It does not resolve fundamental uncertainty. There's no irreducible Planck tension in the UTXO set.]
"On this surface, internal entropy (satoshis) is orthogonal a third axis penetrating the memory-time plane: Sats per Bit² = Sats per Bit-Block This defines Bitcoin’s thermodynamic geometry: Work (energy) collapses uncertainty into a measured bit per block, while sats encode the internal entropy of that resolved unit. I won’t go into radial wrapping right now but it’s necessary."
[A good case you make, but again, sats don’t encode entropy, they reflect value assigned to state changes. The thermodynamics of Bitcoin are economic and engineered, they are not intrinsic. No physical temperature, no natural law of evolution, but just consensus and constraint.]
"UTXOs certainly do not exist spacetime. They build timespace, block by block."
[Metaphor accepted, but again, they build a record of chosen action, not spacetime itself. In Hole Universe, spacetime is shaped by structural memory collapse under real Planck strain. UTXOs don’t feel tension.]
"Using a temperature-based model derived from Boltzmann (revised by anchoring entropy to a finite supply of internal entropy units), we can calculate the energy of every block precisely. We can take Landauer's Principle and modify the entropy for the proof of work hash function scaled by difficulty."
[Interesting thought, but this remains metaphorical at best. You’re mapping Boltzmann to hash entropy, which isn’t physical entropy in any shape or form. SHA-256 is resistant to inversion, not driven by thermal agitation. There’s no physical gas in the Merkle tree :)).]
"This defines block energy as resolved entropy per unit work, structurally identical to thermodynamic law but now measurable."
[Only by analogy, Block energy isn’t structural entropy, it’s at cost only. Physical entropy is governed by atomic/molecular disorder and field dynamics. Bitcoin energy is chosen as economic burn.]
"Space in Bitcoin is not “real estate” it’s resolved possibility. UTXOs define what can be acted upon, and once spent, they mark memory. Their spatiality emerges from time, energy, and memory not independent of them. I am adamant that Bitcoin is the answer to quantum physics."
[Resolved possibility, yes, but an answer to quantum physics no. Bitcoin fakes real collapse structure, but cannot perform it. There’s no coherence, no collapse vector, no emergent ontology. Bitcoin is a cultural echo of the Universe's rules, not a mechanism of those rules.]
"So yes, we can think of each UTXO as a bit in a curved informational manifold defined by elliptic curve coordinates, time of inclusion, and energy used to confirm it."
[I do like that and agree partially. It is a curved ledger memory, but curvature is logical, not geometric. It reflects mathematical choice, not Planck level structure.]
"It’s a physical structure made of work by measurement."
[Just not, it’s a virtual structure made of abstract work. Bitcoin doesn't move atoms, doesn't collapse quantum states. Its truth is consensus, not cosmic.]
"Thank you for input tho, you’re one of the few willing to genuinely explore these questions with me, and I respect that deeply. I will try to get into your paper this weekend."
[Total respect in return. These are the exact conversations the world needs, poetic, philosophical and physically grounded, but dude, don't hit me with a text wall because I'm super busy and replying, which I enjoy becomes difficult. Please upload my theory into a clean AI instance of ChatGPT, ask it to read it and fully understand it, then fire away with the questions. My theory acts as a script plug-in giving it better reasoning. I suggest printing to pdf from medium and uploading that, in order to pull in the equations and images. Uploading the pdf on here doesn't seem to ever work for me?]
"Whether we say “Bitcoin is a quantum computer,” or “Bitcoin is a mirror of quantum collapse,” the point is the same: it is a governed system of irreversible entropy resolution that anchors time, energy, and memory into conserved, measurable structure."
[Agreed mirror is the right word. Let’s not project ontological origins onto engineered artefacts. But yes, Bitcoin shows us that truth arises from irreversibility, proof, collapse and tension. In that sense, it is one of the most important spiritual artefacts of our age.]
"No point to argue what is or isn’t a quantum computer; bitcoin exists. Bitcoin doesn’t care about centralized quantum simulations."
[Indeed but the Universe does and the real collapse doesn’t happen on a mining rig or off chain Lng.]
"Regardless, this deserves far more investigation by Bitcoiners. What if we are all wrong? “Just Money” they say. Let’s keep the conversations flowing."
[Yes because even if Bitcoin isn’t a mechanism of physics, it might still be the message of it. Let’s keep reading and talking, just not by text wall :))).]