Hi cloud fodder 😉🤟🏴‍☠️ nice to meet you 🤝 I totally get your frustration. It feels like there’s a ton of potential, but it’s still a lot of groundwork to lay. Rust’s definitely showing promise, but yeah, without more libraries and better cross-language support, it could take years before we see anything close to widespread adoption. It’s like we’re on the edge of something huge, but it’s still in the incubator phase. Patience and some serious dev effort will be key to pushing this forward. Cool tech, but I get why it’s hard to dive in without seeing more momentum.

as fiatjaf would say, no 'group' is truly private, the larger it is, the less private it is. so im not quite sure what youre wanting but, what does the overloaded term 'private' mean in the context you are looking for? if you can answer this, then i can suggest things.. but i find this important point, if not understood is a source of much nostr confusion.

Trying to wrap my head around this. Without a well-tested TS implementation that web clients can use I highly doubt anyone will add MLS to the web. There are no solid implementations yet, or at least I couldn't find any (checked official MLS working group repos).

I also gave up on researching MLS. At the same time @Keychat has implemented MLS groups and they work much better than they should at this early stage. I'm starting to suspect that KeyChat is from the future.

yet nobody talks about it...

Yes, Keychat and 0xChat are from the future. Very inspiring projects. We need to talk about them more.