I just wish people didn't assumed we made this because we don't know the risks.
We are doing it in spite of knowing the risks and knowing, using and sometimes helped develop all the other solutions out there.
Or, at least, I am.
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There's a difference between ignorance and informed defiance. The latter is rarer, and infinitely more valuable. Building Bitcoin privacy tools while fully aware of the surveillance landscape is the only honest approach.
So, uh, you guys made a risky decision and are using this to motivate other people to develop safer solutions or something? Or am I missing the point?
He didn't call you ignorant, he called you stupid
I called the idea stupid.
How can someone understand the risks if he seemingly doesn't know what coin selection / "coin control" is? View quoted note →
Neither is helpful at all.
Was anything in the essay I wrote helpful?
It was a good summary. But nothing new that I could build on.
What's your response to this particular UX issue?
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To be fair I called it a "terrible idea" but the spirit is the same.
This is the first time I'm seeing the proponents acknowledge the risks.
That's exactly the tradeoff we are choosing to make things work at all times. The sender wants to send you money. It doesn't matter if you want to receive or not. The money will be there for you if you look for it. If you don't want it, those coins are essentially burned and everyone is a bit richer.
The sender has the freedom to send.
The receiver has the freedom to not receive or not even see it.
Everybody gets what they want out of this.
...and npub cash isn't an option because?
Because it is a central operator. The coins might not be there if the operator disappears with everybody's coins.
So I ended up with some onchain sats in my amethyst wallet which I check d after seeing notification. Opened wallet today thinking I'd just send them to you for devs. Amethyst says wallet unavailable 🙄
The sender never wanted to send coins that would never be redeemed and get burned that's the issue
...and normie users losing their nsecs and thus unbeknownst burning coins is ok?
Yep, they would also lose their npub cashu if they lose their nsecs.
Not good....
But not as bad as:
"I don't understand Bitcoin, but let me fix it for you" 🤣
It would really help if you shared your perspectives on the risks and how the tradeoffs of this implementation of onchain zaps address them and/or make them irrelevant, in detail. That'd help the discourse.