**[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** has software seeds (generation and import) only on Testnet. On Mainnet sending transactions requires hardware signers in [Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org). *But why?* **[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** is designed as a long terms savings wallet (single and multisig), eliminating as many *foot-guns* as possible. Software seeds are a *foot-gun*, because: - Software seeds are **unsafe** for any substantial amount, because a general purpose computer is not designed to hold secrets of significant value. - Giving new users the option to create a software seed, might lead to the following **unsafe** behavior: Create software seed, and later port it to a hardware wallet, which gives a false sense of security. - Software seeds makes phishing easier, since users are used to having seeds on a computer. - Software seeds are however useful for developers and therefore **Bitcoin Safe** does offer it for Testnet/Signet/Regtest At every wallet generation **Bitcoin Safe** helps the user to backup the seed words onto paper together with the **descriptor** during the [step-by-step wizard](https://bitcoin-safe.org/page/setup-multisignature-wallet/) with the warning never to type it into a computer or make a picture. image @npub1qdca...zclt Episode 76 discussed different hardware signers and their trade-offs , and it is out of question, that *any* hardware signer is better, than a software seed. Tagging: @The Bitcoin Hole #bitcoin #wallet #bitcoinsafe
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Thanks for the nice discussion about hardware signer trade-offs. I think it is important to highlight that any hardware signer is better than a software seed. That's the reason I disallow software seeds in bitcoin-safe.org
Andreas Griffin's avatar Andreas Griffin
**[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** has software seeds (generation and import) only on Testnet. On Mainnet sending transactions requires hardware signers in [Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org). *But why?* **[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** is designed as a long terms savings wallet (single and multisig), eliminating as many *foot-guns* as possible. Software seeds are a *foot-gun*, because: - Software seeds are **unsafe** for any substantial amount, because a general purpose computer is not designed to hold secrets of significant value. - Giving new users the option to create a software seed, might lead to the following **unsafe** behavior: Create software seed, and later port it to a hardware wallet, which gives a false sense of security. - Software seeds makes phishing easier, since users are used to having seeds on a computer. - Software seeds are however useful for developers and therefore **Bitcoin Safe** does offer it for Testnet/Signet/Regtest At every wallet generation **Bitcoin Safe** helps the user to backup the seed words onto paper together with the **descriptor** during the [step-by-step wizard](https://bitcoin-safe.org/page/setup-multisignature-wallet/) with the warning never to type it into a computer or make a picture. image @npub1qdca...zclt Episode 76 View quoted note โ†’ discussed different hardware signers and their trade-offs , and it is out of question, that *any* hardware signer is better, than a software seed. Tagging: @The Bitcoin Hole #bitcoin #wallet #bitcoinsafe
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๐ŸคฃBe like a hardware signer. Sign it, and turn off.
Andreas Griffin's avatar Andreas Griffin
**[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** has software seeds (generation and import) only on Testnet. On Mainnet sending transactions requires hardware signers in [Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org). *But why?* **[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** is designed as a long terms savings wallet (single and multisig), eliminating as many *foot-guns* as possible. Software seeds are a *foot-gun*, because: - Software seeds are **unsafe** for any substantial amount, because a general purpose computer is not designed to hold secrets of significant value. - Giving new users the option to create a software seed, might lead to the following **unsafe** behavior: Create software seed, and later port it to a hardware wallet, which gives a false sense of security. - Software seeds makes phishing easier, since users are used to having seeds on a computer. - Software seeds are however useful for developers and therefore **Bitcoin Safe** does offer it for Testnet/Signet/Regtest At every wallet generation **Bitcoin Safe** helps the user to backup the seed words onto paper together with the **descriptor** during the [step-by-step wizard](https://bitcoin-safe.org/page/setup-multisignature-wallet/) with the warning never to type it into a computer or make a picture. image @npub1qdca...zclt Episode 76 View quoted note โ†’ discussed different hardware signers and their trade-offs , and it is out of question, that *any* hardware signer is better, than a software seed. Tagging: @The Bitcoin Hole #bitcoin #wallet #bitcoinsafe
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Any plans on supporting Markdown? Just noticed in my latest post only Amethyst is rendering it good
Andreas Griffin's avatar Andreas Griffin
**[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** has software seeds (generation and import) only on Testnet. On Mainnet sending transactions requires hardware signers in [Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org). *But why?* **[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** is designed as a long terms savings wallet (single and multisig), eliminating as many *foot-guns* as possible. Software seeds are a *foot-gun*, because: - Software seeds are **unsafe** for any substantial amount, because a general purpose computer is not designed to hold secrets of significant value. - Giving new users the option to create a software seed, might lead to the following **unsafe** behavior: Create software seed, and later port it to a hardware wallet, which gives a false sense of security. - Software seeds makes phishing easier, since users are used to having seeds on a computer. - Software seeds are however useful for developers and therefore **Bitcoin Safe** does offer it for Testnet/Signet/Regtest At every wallet generation **Bitcoin Safe** helps the user to backup the seed words onto paper together with the **descriptor** during the [step-by-step wizard](https://bitcoin-safe.org/page/setup-multisignature-wallet/) with the warning never to type it into a computer or make a picture. image @npub1qdca...zclt Episode 76 View quoted note โ†’ discussed different hardware signers and their trade-offs , and it is out of question, that *any* hardware signer is better, than a software seed. Tagging: @The Bitcoin Hole #bitcoin #wallet #bitcoinsafe
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Andreas Griffin's avatar Andreas Griffin
**[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** has software seeds (generation and import) only on Testnet. On Mainnet sending transactions requires hardware signers in [Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org). *But why?* **[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** is designed as a long terms savings wallet (single and multisig), eliminating as many *foot-guns* as possible. Software seeds are a *foot-gun*, because: - Software seeds are **unsafe** for any substantial amount, because a general purpose computer is not designed to hold secrets of significant value. - Giving new users the option to create a software seed, might lead to the following **unsafe** behavior: Create software seed, and later port it to a hardware wallet, which gives a false sense of security. - Software seeds makes phishing easier, since users are used to having seeds on a computer. - Software seeds are however useful for developers and therefore **Bitcoin Safe** does offer it for Testnet/Signet/Regtest At every wallet generation **Bitcoin Safe** helps the user to backup the seed words onto paper together with the **descriptor** during the [step-by-step wizard](https://bitcoin-safe.org/page/setup-multisignature-wallet/) with the warning never to type it into a computer or make a picture. image @npub1qdca...zclt Episode 76 View quoted note โ†’ discussed different hardware signers and their trade-offs , and it is out of question, that *any* hardware signer is better, than a software seed. Tagging: @The Bitcoin Hole #bitcoin #wallet #bitcoinsafe
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On testnet it supports software seeds. Read below why not on mainnet
Andreas Griffin's avatar Andreas Griffin
**[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** has software seeds (generation and import) only on Testnet. On Mainnet sending transactions requires hardware signers in [Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org). *But why?* **[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** is designed as a long terms savings wallet (single and multisig), eliminating as many *foot-guns* as possible. Software seeds are a *foot-gun*, because: - Software seeds are **unsafe** for any substantial amount, because a general purpose computer is not designed to hold secrets of significant value. - Giving new users the option to create a software seed, might lead to the following **unsafe** behavior: Create software seed, and later port it to a hardware wallet, which gives a false sense of security. - Software seeds makes phishing easier, since users are used to having seeds on a computer. - Software seeds are however useful for developers and therefore **Bitcoin Safe** does offer it for Testnet/Signet/Regtest At every wallet generation **Bitcoin Safe** helps the user to backup the seed words onto paper together with the **descriptor** during the [step-by-step wizard](https://bitcoin-safe.org/page/setup-multisignature-wallet/) with the warning never to type it into a computer or make a picture. image @npub1qdca...zclt Episode 76 View quoted note โ†’ discussed different hardware signers and their trade-offs , and it is out of question, that *any* hardware signer is better, than a software seed. Tagging: @The Bitcoin Hole #bitcoin #wallet #bitcoinsafe
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Yes, hardware signers are important:
Andreas Griffin's avatar Andreas Griffin
**[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** has software seeds (generation and import) only on Testnet. On Mainnet sending transactions requires hardware signers in [Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org). *But why?* **[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** is designed as a long terms savings wallet (single and multisig), eliminating as many *foot-guns* as possible. Software seeds are a *foot-gun*, because: - Software seeds are **unsafe** for any substantial amount, because a general purpose computer is not designed to hold secrets of significant value. - Giving new users the option to create a software seed, might lead to the following **unsafe** behavior: Create software seed, and later port it to a hardware wallet, which gives a false sense of security. - Software seeds makes phishing easier, since users are used to having seeds on a computer. - Software seeds are however useful for developers and therefore **Bitcoin Safe** does offer it for Testnet/Signet/Regtest At every wallet generation **Bitcoin Safe** helps the user to backup the seed words onto paper together with the **descriptor** during the [step-by-step wizard](https://bitcoin-safe.org/page/setup-multisignature-wallet/) with the warning never to type it into a computer or make a picture. image @npub1qdca...zclt Episode 76 View quoted note โ†’ discussed different hardware signers and their trade-offs , and it is out of question, that *any* hardware signer is better, than a software seed. Tagging: @The Bitcoin Hole #bitcoin #wallet #bitcoinsafe
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Andreas Griffin's avatar Andreas Griffin
**[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** has software seeds (generation and import) only on Testnet. On Mainnet sending transactions requires hardware signers in [Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org). *But why?* **[Bitcoin Safe](https://www.bitcoin-safe.org)** is designed as a long terms savings wallet (single and multisig), eliminating as many *foot-guns* as possible. Software seeds are a *foot-gun*, because: - Software seeds are **unsafe** for any substantial amount, because a general purpose computer is not designed to hold secrets of significant value. - Giving new users the option to create a software seed, might lead to the following **unsafe** behavior: Create software seed, and later port it to a hardware wallet, which gives a false sense of security. - Software seeds makes phishing easier, since users are used to having seeds on a computer. - Software seeds are however useful for developers and therefore **Bitcoin Safe** does offer it for Testnet/Signet/Regtest At every wallet generation **Bitcoin Safe** helps the user to backup the seed words onto paper together with the **descriptor** during the [step-by-step wizard](https://bitcoin-safe.org/page/setup-multisignature-wallet/) with the warning never to type it into a computer or make a picture. image @npub1qdca...zclt Episode 76 View quoted note โ†’ discussed different hardware signers and their trade-offs , and it is out of question, that *any* hardware signer is better, than a software seed. Tagging: @The Bitcoin Hole #bitcoin #wallet #bitcoinsafe
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