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Globe99 globe99@nostrcheck.me 2 months ago

> having an uncontrolled border and constant mass-immigration Which was effectively the case for long periods of American history with basically none of the problems described? I really have a hard time getting behind this entire argument if we aren't also pre-supposing a massive "free entitlement" welfare State. Like, beyond anything that exists in the USA. And even then, the consequence is State failure, something that my "dark accelerationist heart" doesn't really think is that bad of an idea. In a free market, immigration is naturally limited when jobs become scarce and housing becomes too expensive. Maybe things are different in the European context, but in America, I see immigration as a net win for society in terms of job creation and cultural diversity.

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Laeserin laeserin@theforest.nostr1.com 2 months ago

USA had a ban on Muslim immigration, from the beginning and for the longest, and was sometimes at war with Algeria, Canad, or Mexico. Also, the idea that unlimited immigration has no negative effects would be news to the Native Americans. The European settlers didn't go there for the welfare state, for sure. And remember the Alamo. Also, technology and has made international travel much cheaper, faster, and easier, and the entrants are coming from further away and more alien cultures. And I never said that I was against all immigration. This is clearly an article against Open Borders policies.

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Globe99 globe99@nostrcheck.me 2 months ago

Muslim bans existed under... Trump? I fail to see any other historical example. And I would consider those not great. And the 19th century wars with Mexico didn't come along with any robust (or even statutory?) system of immigration enforcement. As for Native Americans, this is another example where "migration" gets conflated with "State-sponsored violent colonization and intentional genocide." Nothing like is happening in any context here, nor is that anything like what "open borders" libertarians (of which I consider myself one) advocate. There's nothing inherently incompatible between open borders and a robust system of contracts and property rights.