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Anybody can create their own ASmap by running Kartograf
GitHub
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. It pulls cryptographically signed RPKI data to attest IP networks and the AS they belong to.
Core then uses that ASmap to bucket peers by AS, not just IP network.
Fat zap for whoever figures out the Knots AS-hive.
jb55
thanks to the hardwork of these folks for adding defenses against knots sybil attacks.
watch out for scammers claiming large node numbers like 20-25%. it appears to be closer to 2-3% of real node runners.
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This should end the Knots Four Horsemen propaganda bullshit.
Sybil attacks are the real spam on Bitcoin.
View quoted note โโwow someone who has dedicated 15 years of their life learning and hacking on bitcoin, someone who has been through every single propaganda attack on bitcoin didnโt fall for it!?โ
so weird! the cognitive dissonance of people who got scammed by mechanic and luke is palpable.
That's the thing. Different perspectives allow people to see different things. I think you have good intentions. But you are too close.
Explain the scam please.
You clearly got it figured out already.
I'll put my energy elsewhere.
Thanks for your work on nostr. ๐ฆพ
I guess we will see.
So bc you have 15y of hacking on bitcoin can see that Luke is a scammer, and how many years on bitcoin does this sรณ called scammer Luke has on bitcoin?
I should really start taking asmap more seriously.
this was reported by another asmap runner, need more people to run it to confirm
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my sample sizes are much smaller but match the percent (4-5 nodes connected vs 1 now), I need to collect more data.
how did you get the 2-3% figure? Did you run a full bitcoin-crawler and estimated the number from asmap filtering? Or did you get the numbers from bitnodes or something?
I know we're both in our respective echo chambers but...you really think only 2.6% of nodes are Knots?
This seems to be more "most Knots nodes are in America, therefore ignore basically all of them"
why would asmap block america? what
It's just blocking multiple connections over same ISP is it not?
Also, appears to ignore Tor completely, so basically that dismisses the thousands of Umbrel/Start9 users. These stats aren't going to give you an accurate picture at all, if you're honest with yourself you'd dismiss them.
I am running with tor on, still seeing a large drop. I am writing a bitcointap script now to collect more data
That is good for you. You now define what Bitcoin is.
Your sample size is ridiculously insufficient to conclude anything.
According to your analysis my Knots 29 node doesnโt exist.
I can assure you my node is noding.
Luke's stats show ~14% but they lag by a month. They cut out duplicates where possible, and treat all AWS as one node. I don't think it's possible to be more pessimistic than 14%. The 25% we saw yesterday appeared to be Umbrel users updating and getting counted twice, but that isn't happening today with the Start9 update so that theory is just wrong afaict unless I have some misunderstanding about how Umbrel nodes differ from Start9 nodes.
Just because it says what you wanna hear??
No, because it is an interesting approach and has been under utilized for the past three years already.
"Sounds like you're diving deep into the data! ๐ While Tor can have its quirks, it's great to see you experimenting with BitcoinTap. Keep us posted on what you discover! ๐ #DataJourney"
+1300 nodes in a day is hardly organic, but with garbageman and portlandhodls stunt and whatever inevitable spoofing is going on itโs ridiculous to try to claim any conclusions or accusations with certainty.
Everyone is giving their own slanted analysis of imperfect information.
How is ASmap heuristic node clustering much different from Chainalysis' heuristic utxo clustering??
Both are applying (questionable) heuristics to some public (or private) metadata;
Are Bitcoiners really advocating for the use central banlists* now? REALLY??
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*yup, it's literally downloading a list from
GitHub
asmap-data/latest_asmap.dat at main ยท asmap/asmap-data
Repository holding recently created ASMaps encoded for use in Bitcoin Core - asmap/asmap-data
. But i'm sure our beloved governments will provide such a curated peer list going forward... ๐คฆ
It isnโt used for banning, its for ensuring connection diversity so you donโt get eclipse attacked
I understand that the *intent* of Asmap is righteous; but at the end of the day your are banning/closung connections to peers that are "on the list"
I just hate everything about it. Pseudo-scientitic labeling of "good vs bad" peers. We'll get a risk score next
except thats not true. It doesnโt ban any ips on a list, it just ensures that the active connections arenโt all from a single entity
>The number of knots nodes i'm connected to has dropped off a cliff. fascinating.
>I also ban all aws nodes from my node. surely a coincidence.
Are we not splitting hairs? ASmap makes you disconnect/not connect in the first place to a set of nodes, which is defined in the dat file.
Maybe it's not technically an (ip) ban, but the dat list acts de facto as a "shun list" the way i see it.
Please correct me if i'm wrong.
Looks like another Core Dev attack on Knots. JB55 is a spam supporter and disingenious at the same time.
That is not what it does, it just tries to be diverse across different asans. It's not a shun list.
running with asmap in bitcoin isn't really that important, but using asmap to cluster afterwards to detect sybils is the important thing. i didn't detect and clearnet knots sybils via asmap bucketing
