Same. We also have a "free relay". It isn't nearly as good as the paid one, but sometimes you just need a place to put your notes.
semisol's avatar semisol
Nickel and diming users hurts both you and your users, and this is not something I want to do. There are unfortunately relays that try to do this, however. It is not “hurting” paid relays. If you have no way for them to even try Nostr without a paywall, they won’t use it at all. There are 3 main categories of non-payers: 1. They don’t have the means to pay 2. They don’t want to spend at all 3. They don’t know what they get out of a paid relay / think it’s not enough Almost everyone makes contributions to the social network. Without them, there would be no Nostr, and no users to even get on your relay. People in the last category also get a janky experience and think it is unfixable. Showing them the capabilities of paid relays (with limits) helps overcome this barrier. Regardless, Nostr.land builds on top of Nostr. I am giving back to help it grow, with Nostr.land already supporting 10002 for all users + hist.nostr.land. I think that this is much more beneficial to the growth of Nostr, than randomly flinging grants.
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I don't do paid relays because I hate subscriptions. I don't know if I will use it or not. How hard would it be to give users a couple of free posts a week, then make them pay per note? With nwc set up, this could happen automatically, if they give their wallet permission right?
Everyone hates subscriptions, but we have almost only fixed running costs. There's simply no point in offering anything good to someone who will pay us 1¢ sat at a time, when we already offer such cheap subscriptions, for 50¢/month. If you can't afford 50¢/month, then how much would you be pay-as-go? 2¢ per month? That's negative income. Even the 50¢/month is negative income. We have to top up from donations and our own pockets.
@Azz I have it same, I don't like paying for service subscriptions so I run my own relay and blossom server. Yes, in reality it does cost more money, time and nerves than the subscription, but I prefer it that way.
But if you are attracting buses who you wouldn't otherwise have, charging 3c a note would note would more than cover the marginal storage costs at no additional fixed cost. .
Technical Debt's avatar Technical Debt
If you have a look at freemium games, it’s always funded by a few whales and the majority of users just free ride. This goes against every intuition we have but is a reality in other places as well, like casinos and stuff. Centralized platforms have the means to shuffle money around very easily, while we’re here asking that every user pays a fee every month and then wonder why the thing isn’t growing. I used to think metered usage micropayments was the obvious way to go, since you could distribute content into some sort of filecoin/storj clone and everyone would just pay their fair share but now I’m leaning towards “turn free riders into CDN”. My iPhone has more processing power and bandwidth available than most servers had a few decades ago, IPv6 and NAT hole punching have been enabling p2p applications for a while now, why not? Then there would be less pressure on free relays by freeloaders and premium relays could justify subsiding free relays, while focusing on delivering value for the whales.
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Content is events and therefore separate from (general) relays. And you would see the content _before_ I could request payment. You would be paying to post your own content, not to see mine.
People who are willing to pay for relays, don't mind paying 50¢-$3/month for one. The prices are negligible. Less than the price of a cup of coffee. People wanting to pay 3¢ to post three times per month are a tiny market of people who actually just don't like paying for a relay and will probably do it once or twice and then stop, leaving you with the fixed costs and the overhead. They're the market segment equivalent of those people who will drive 10 miles out of their way to get 2 packages of butter for 50¢ cheaper and purchase nothing else. They'd rather spend $2k on a new PC or a top-line iPhone and self-host, to be honest. It's simply not a market that makes any sort of economic sense because their aversion to paying isn't about the price. They don't like paying other people for IT services. Full stop. I prefer to just offer them the lower-quality freebie version and not have to bother haggling with them over whether it should be 3¢ or 2.45¢. There are Class A, B, and C customers. Pull out all of the stops for As, offer the Bs a bare-bones el-cheapo version, and let the Cs scrape along with the freebie version. This goes into the classic 7Ps of marketing.
BTW, we know that this analysis is accurate because there's a mid-range relay costing 21 sats/month and most Nostriches who complain about subscriptions aren't on it. Their negative attitude is a whole mental state that is completely unaffected by price. They would not be willing to pay 21 sats each time they post. The hurdle is in _any payment of any size at any time_.