You explained it better than the dude... Were there debates? I wanna see two super knowledgeable dudes/dudettes debate it. I feel like that must've been more prevalent before I got here... I saw a debate between Voorhees (sp?) and someone and it was epic. Haven't seen one since... The entire blockchain being a coinjoin is interesting. It actually hits pretty close to an idea I've had for bitcoin... But this is actually what I'm saying - do the thing he said in the beginning where you merge it into bitcoin, but do it onto a hard fork. If its really so good, it will survive and win in the end. No bitcoiners can be mad because they get keys on that one too. Improve/attack bitcoin, either one is better than diverting into an altcoin.

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That's where I disagree with you. "It will win in the end" is naive. Bitcoin is ossified. Satoshi said it himself, the core protocol cannot be changed at this point. It doesn't matter what comes along that's miles ahead. There are too many people that rely on the status quo for a consensus to ever form to improve it, unless the end is nigh and doom is on the horizon. There was a BIP introduced by Poelstra I believe to integrate it as an extension block scheme, which litecoin ultimately did do with mweb. Poelstra worked at blockstream at that time, I think he still does. It was a soft fork. DOA. You can go read it if you can find it, the debate is there. Yeah the discussion isn't as great in the bitcoin world as it once was. It's because nobody can win, nobody can improve, so people know better than to waste their time at this point. Those "a blockchain is a chain of blocks" people jump in at every opportunity with their strong arm emojis telling you to shut up shitcoiner. The discussion has moved elsewhere, in places where people are actually doing stuff like this. That's the side of things you don't see when you say we are defeatist. Bitcoin is not our battlefield anymore, money is. We aren't defeated, we just aren't welcome in the bitcoin world. We can still create it, just not by getting permission from the bitcoin network. And not just guys like me on nostr, I'm a nobody, guys like Andreas Antonopolous and Amir Taaki have moved on, these are heavy hitters that did amazing things for bitcoin and believed in it stronger than you or I, and still do, just little b bitcoin and not big b bitcoin.
Oh and "it will win in the end" is what we are doing, just without the permission of the stewards of bitcoin. It will win in the end, but not as a BIP.