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I think a simpler compromise could be easier to get a consensus, something like placing an op_return limit just enough for Citrea to use at consensus level, and the other data limits could be though with more time.

It sounds like Coretards will have ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO FUD ABOUT...!!! CAN'T WAIT FOR THE NEXT DRAFT OF BIP4444 😎😎😎 LONG LIVE BITCOIN SUPPORT BIP444...!!! nostr:nevent1qqszllafk56y6mwwch9w3eu6u48dzn0wrmfdynlftlrhky3uy56tu8czyr5gdqw0l03dqe3j2vddjz02v80t4uasqf7d76x6ke9ft2p32vk87qcyqqqqqqgnwxfkv

Thank you for your work. This seems promising.

Sounds reasonable. Thank you for writing the BIP. 🤙

Thank you for your work. If a consensus builds around fixing the spam which abuses Bitcoin wouldn't it be possible to make the fix permanent? Because both sides actually state they are against spam.

Thank you Fren of #Bitcoin….

Thank you for your efforts to keep Bitcoin the best money. As a fellow bitcoiner, I'll do what I can to support that

Thanks for stepping up!

Thank you for putting this together. I think it’s smart to look at this holistically. The legal risks are real, but Bitcoin users need to do the right thing because we hold ourselves accountable, not because the Tyrannical State tells us to behave a certain way. The economic, technical, ethical, and reputational risks of more unnecessary arbitrary data on Bitcoin are just as real and threatening in their own ways. Vigilance & cooperation are key and it’s important that Bitcoin defends itself with smart limitations on a consensus and policy level as best we can. Mitigating Op_Return and Inscription data are both obvious priorities. Looking forward to the next draft! Thanks again. Godspeed. ✊🏼🫡

One side is lying

It's possible.

You can't remove the reactive activation method, and say it may be needed anyway. This is an attempt to manufacture consent. nostr:nevent1qvzqqqqqqypzp6yxs88lhcksvce9xxkep84xrh467wcqylxldrdtvj544qc4xtrlqqszllafk56y6mwwch9w3eu6u48dzn0wrmfdynlftlrhky3uy56tu8cpu0lf3

Some people on the other side say they don't like "spam", but only the spam that's not theirs.

Important to call out Dathon Ohm is now lying (misleading?) the consensus process by removing the rejected langauge about a reactive activation method, but may have to employ it anyway? It'll get circulated once the new proposal comes out, deceit is not how you build rough consensus. nevent1qqszllafk56y6mwwch9w3eu6u48dzn0wrmfdynlftlrhky3uy56tu8c0c6dc5

The whole concept (as I originally designed it) was for an emergency/reactive UASF. I'm not sure it makes sense any other way. For a non-eventful softfork, you'd want to start it 1-1.5 years into the future. And then with a 1 year expiry still?

Thanks for all the good work!

Shouldn't a reactive soft fork be the priority?

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No expiration, permanent restriction of arbitrary data. Include Unix bug fix

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The whole thing is retarded but yes remove the most retarded thing first by all means.

Why not separating both? 1.- Reactive/emergency UASF and 2.- UASF planned 1y ahead but permanent, not temporary. I think Emergency UASF will have way less consensus around it and when/if the offending block happens IMO it will generate a split chain. The chain with the offending block will be considered bitcoin by most people (including miners, exchanges and businesses) Planned UASF can have way more consensus around it. I think we could limit OP_Return to 80 in CR and also make inscriptions way more expensive. Maybe we could just remove the segwit discount, or at least, change the 4x to 2x (with the additional benefit of having blocks smaller)

I do not support the rules in BIP444 on a permanent basis.

so, what, we'd need to do another soft fork later to revert them?

Reverting a softfork without an upfront expiry is a hardfork

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see? there's no fucking way the reactive activation part will hold up. that is not what bitcoin is. look at how knots are losing nodes to v30! the fact that this even got released at all, with the blessing of Luke too ( https://primal.net/e/nevent1qqsd29eg4a4qn5g5alqy0308mdg3zph8rwwccde8vvgxsc62nwhgazsv07v4p ) showed how these people are so detached from reality... get out from that basement of yours, talk to actual human beings, stop living in your bitcoin knighthood fantasy, touch some grass... that will surely help! nostr:nevent1qqszllafk56y6mwwch9w3eu6u48dzn0wrmfdynlftlrhky3uy56tu8czyr5gdqw0l03dqe3j2vddjz02v80t4uasqf7d76x6ke9ft2p32vk87qcyqqqqqqgnwxfkv

If it expires, an attacker knows the block to attack. I don't see how it fixes the problem, just delays it.

I think "Reactive" is necessary.

I think it is less urgent than "emergency", but more urgent than something we should wait 18 months to do.

We can do this once the temporary one (which is a bit blunt) expires.

Can you explain your reasoning?

Right now we need a reactive measure, not a protracted one! This softfork was initiated precisely for the emergency CSAM use case. I think there is no need to compromise on an emergency softfork. Aside from that, I think the presence of the reactive softfork option will push consensus more towards a preactive softfork, which is good. The long-term, more cautious action can be discussed later; that is a time-consuming topic.

The question isn't how we ship it, it's when the problem becomes undeniable enough that the entire network wants to ship it. That's the trigger.